To Bugler wrote on May 23, 2007 12:03 PM:
" There is no comparison of Meth to tobacco. As has been said, those on meth are unproductive and when they can't work, they steal to support their habit. Obviously you do not know anyone on meth but I assure you, meth will affect your life someday. No one truly recovers from meth addiction and those on meth have a very short life expectancy. "
re bug ler wrote on May 23, 2007 8:56 AM:
" HMmmmmsez: Your either a meth user or ignorant of the consequences of using meth or both. I'm guessing both. If your just starting out on meth. To avoid making the long journey to your becoming toothless, physically depleted, and epileptic. GET HELP before it's to late. "
To Bugler wrote on May 22, 2007 1:07 PM:
" I would like to answer your question in part: a smoker can lead a relatively normal life- work, go shopping, deal with family matters, etc. All the while killing himself with damage to all parts of his body and soaking the health care system for care. That part, you are defintiely right about. But, due to the brain damage caused by the drug, a Meth addict is unable to focus on work, so he/she ends up stealing or prostituting himself/herslf for more drug money, or makes the dope themselves. Life expectancy: 4 years. "
Sesserite wrote on May 20, 2007 9:04 PM:
" Hey Lisa how about a little more investigation into Ameren's ripoff of southern Illinois? Or do you need to get approval from your dad?
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Bugler wrote on May 20, 2007 4:38 PM:
" The difference between meth and tobacco is this:
With tobacco the state makes money off of the taxation while there are still state employees who make a paycheck off of tobacco for its control and for conferences to attend, with the taxed man still paying for increased health care needs of the state workers who smoke.
With meth the state employs people who make money for the just cause of meth eradication and conferences, and the taxed man still pays for the health care needs of the pers. "
WSR wrote on May 19, 2007 2:01 AM:
" Reply to bugler.Are you serious...what is the difference??? You can't be that ditzy..or can you. Effects of meth on the brain,it's addictive nature,change in personality,ruins lives,marriages,jobs,rots face and teeth,kill for it,explosions...on and on and on. No comparison to meth and tobacco.Can't believe you would even ask such a stupid question. "
Declaring Progress wrote on May 18, 2007 1:20 PM:
" Well, she could hardly make any claim other than progress, now could she? I mean we're talking about dollars being dedicated to trained professionals for a socioeconomic cause, are we not? "
To Bugler cont'd again wrote on May 17, 2007 3:12 PM:
" Furthermore, meth is the drug of choice in this area. Why? because it's SO cheap to obtain. $1 a hit is pocket change for most people. In my opinion there isn't ANYWHERE ENOUGH conferences on this crap. It needs unbelievable amounts of attention to get it under control. I commend John Bradley and Lisa Madigan for such devotion to making laws stricter, (but not quite strict enough, yet) for this wicked, wicked drug. I hope you don't feel as though I've been yelling at you, but I come from a middle class, educated, community oriented family. This addiction can happen to anyone and everyone. My daughter didn't try it for the "high"... she tried it to lose weight! Anyone that reads my posts, I encourage you to educate yourselves, especially if you have children. Become proactive in your neighborhoods. Use your nose during your evening walks (because meth has a distinct odor) and report anything suspicious to the Southern Illinois Drug Task Force. "
To Bugler cont'd wrote on May 17, 2007 11:55 AM:
" My daughter did finally enter rehab in Maryville, IL and she got her act together. She finished high school and graduated while she was there. The night she graduated, she didn't get to celebrate with her classmates, she had to be back at the facility to finish her treatment. So, Bugler, meth is a HUGE difference with how it affects those around it. Cigarettes, you can at least leave the room and avoid the smoke. Meth stays with you. It's in your clothes, your hair, your car, etc. Why? Because it's all chemicals. Lithium battery acid, starter fluid, bleach, drain-o, etc are mixed together with other key ingredients and cooked and smoked! Those chemicals leave residue and create fumes that are unavoidable! Kids that breathe that crap in are on their way to addiction without even taking a hit off the pipe. Cookers through their trash in the woods, along the roads, in YOUR trash can that you put by the road everyweek....contaminating everything it touches. Trust me, it's not pretty at all, so I hope I've been able to enlighten you somewhat about just how serious meth is to not just the user, but everyone in contact with the user. "
To Bugler wrote on May 17, 2007 11:47 AM:
" As a mother of a former meth user, I can assure you that meth is FAR worse than any tobacco product and if I had to choose the lesser of two evils, I'd prefer my daughter to smoke a cigarette before picking up a meth pipe. You need to educate yourself with the EXTREME dangers of meth before getting on that soapbox and asking for something that will never happen. Meth is addictive from the very first use and the user is on an immediate high. It doesn't wear off slowly, the user crashes big time until it is smoked again. Most meth users don't like to crash, so as soon as they feel it happening, they smoke again for the rush. My 16 year old daughter was introduced to this crap because a 'friend' told her it would help her lose weight. She went for 16 days straight without food or rest and lost 36 pounds in that time! To make this worse, as a parent you cannot force your child into rehab either! My daughter was given 3 options. Break the law and be court ordered to rehab, enter rehab on her own will, or die! to be continued... "
bugler wrote on May 16, 2007 12:13 PM:
" I'm all in favor of the current situation, where meth is illegal. But I don't understand the difference between meth and tobacco. Both are very harmful to the health, but one is legal while the other is not. The only difference is that tobacco does more harm to those other than the user. If we need to have big conferences and a big effort to wipe out meth use, why don't we make tobacco illegal, criminalize its production and sale, and have big conferences on the subject? What is the difference? Please, smokers, no silly, insulting responses to this; just tell me the difference. "
Dear Lisa wrote on May 16, 2007 12:12 PM:
" What about progress in the investigation of Ameren and its partners in crime? You suggested there was evidence of collusion and price-fixing? We would really like to here more about that? When will you obtain taped statements from Cisel? "