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Violent J (left) and Shaggy 2 Dope (Right) make up the rap-metal duo Insane Clown Posse. (Provided)

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Church leaders want concert to go away

BY CALEB HALE, THE SOUTHERN

Tuesday, June 26, 2007 7:10 AM CDT

HARDIN COUNTY - Promoters for the group Insane Clown Posse say they've found a perfect spot for a music festival in Hardin County, but local church leaders are telling them to find another place.

The Shawnee Ministerial Alliance plans to meet with a representative of U.S. Rep. John Shimkus, R-Collinsville, on July 10 to discuss what officials can do to stop the Detroit-based rap-metal duo, Shaggy 2 Dope and Violent J - and a few thousand fans - from ever gathering at Hog Rock.

ICP, as the band is commonly known, and its label, Psychopathic Records, will host a music event called The Gathering Aug. 9-12 at the privately owned site near Cave-In-Rock. The band has hosted the event for eight years at other venues throughout the U.S.

Owner Tim York, who also runs Hogdaddy's Saloon in Old Shawneetown, did not return a phone call seeking comment.

Alliance Vice President Greg Degrave, pastor of Levee Pond Church in Cave-In-Rock, said residents don't want the group or its followers in the area for four days.

"I'm not really worried about the band. They're just out there to make money, and they don't care who they make it off of," Degrave said. "But their followers �¿� those are the ones who get out and terrorize the community."

Called Juggalos or Juggalettes (depending on gender) and often associated with violence and Satanism, ICP fans typically have been cause for concern by authorities and community members wherever they gather, Degrave said.

Stories of problems outnumber actual reported incidents in each of the concerts, but Hardin County Sheriff Tom Seiner said he'll be calling in backup from surrounding counties and Illinois State Police District 22 the weekend of the event.

Promoters have assured authorities full access to patrol the grounds at all times during the event, and Seiner said he'll have between 10 and 16 uniformed officers on duty. He said he's not convinced ICP's presence guarantees violence, but he'll take no chances.

"I think it's more rowdy than violent, but they do sing violent lyrics and that's got us concerned. Most of the places they've been before have been pretty big communities; here it's pretty rural and we've got a small police force," Seiner said.

The availability of protection is what concerns citizens most, Degrave said, adding there will be too many fans and not enough uniformed officers should things get out of hand during the festival.

Whether such concerns can stop a rock concert from taking place on private property remains to be seen, according to Shimkus spokesman Steve Tomaszewski.

"All I know is we have been invited to the meeting, and we will have a representative there," Tomaszewski said. "I don't know if there is anything we can do to stop them."

Degrave hopes officials can, because the more he reads on ICP's Web site about the planned gathering, the more fretful he becomes.

"I read on the message boards, talking about Cave-In-Rock, someone said they've found a place they can come to for years of gathering, because there is no one to stop them," Degrave said. "But we're a bunch of country boys here, so they might have bitten off more than they can chew."

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Illuvatar The Juggalo wrote on Jun 23, 2008 9:56 PM:

" Look, I know that this particular Gathering has already passed, but in case people who still hate on the Family read this, I have a little quote for them. It's from one of ICP's songs; that's right, one of the songs that you were so quick to peg as 'Satanic'. It's called 'The Unveiling', in case you want to look it up to make sure I'm not BSing you. It's from the album 'The Wraith: Shangri-La'. The quote is sung by Violent J, and says, "Truth is we follow GOD, we've always been behind HIM; The Carnival is GOD and may all Juggalos find HIM!"

Wow... would you look at that... Now how could a 'Satanic' group glorify God in their lyrics? THEY COULDN'T! WE BELIVE IN GOD! ANY JUGGALO WHO SAYS OTHERWISE IS A FAKE AND SHOULD NOT DEGRADE THE REST OF US BY USING OUR TITLE!

As for the violence, we are outcasts. We deal with what you say and do on this page every day of our lives. But we only get violent when others are violent to us. Try to understand us. You might be surprised. MMFWCL! Family, hit me up: aces_316@yahoo dot com "

Rachel wrote on Nov 20, 2007 10:18 AM:

" juggalos and lettes listen... you all family to me and i love you but there are more and more wanna-be's coming in every year. Show who's down for life. if yo wit me my emails : insane_juggalo_2010@yahoo.com mcl for life homies... Rachel (the ringmaster) "

GivenSumMoreClownLOVE wrote on Sep 26, 2007 10:06 AM:

" First off, MMFWCL to all my Lo's and Lette's. I have to say we shouldn't have to give into what these people are saying to us, neither should we stoop to their level of insecurity. They call us freeks because they themselves don't feel like they belong. We ALL know what the music is about and we all know we are NOT satanic. They just trash what they don't understand. WE ALL BELONG TO SOMETHING, NO MATTER WHAT WE LOOK LIKE OR WHERE WE COME FROM. WE ARE JUGGALOS AND WE ARE DOWN FOR LIFE!! We are family to the end! MUCH-CLOWN-LOVE! "

Sean Stevenson wrote on Sep 19, 2007 1:50 PM:

" That's just silly. ICP has never been about Satanism at all, I know, am something of a listener to their music. The damages caused by fans is not ICP's responsibility, that is based on the person. Whatever happened to individual responsibility? "

FOOL wrote on Sep 18, 2007 5:50 PM:

" Well.."Time to leave it alone"..if I'M not MISTAKEN..YOU just commented on this issue..why don't YOU stop... "

Time to Leave it Alone wrote on Sep 18, 2007 3:57 PM:

" Why are there still comments on this issue? If I am not mistaken, the concert is OVER and Hardin County is still as beautiful as ever. Nobody will ever be in agreement, so let something else make news for a change! "

Hopey wrote on Sep 10, 2007 8:30 PM:

" I also live in Williamson Co, and i have never ever heard anyone say what LFS has to say. I love the beauty of Hardin County, and have wonderful friends down there. Speak for yourself, LFS. "

TO LFS wrote on Sep 10, 2007 12:30 PM:

" I live in Williamson County and you certainly do not speak for me or anyone else that I know of. Several of us take regular rides down to beautiful Hardin County and its lovely people. So, do not tell anyone you write for Williamson County, because you are only writing for yourself. Our county here is not exactly paradise, either, but whose is? "

LFS wrote on Sep 9, 2007 12:37 PM:

" Williamson for those that need to know "

vote wrote on Sep 7, 2007 11:29 AM:

" These commissioners need to vote this junk out of HC. These clowns are now representing a true hostile environment and stirring up reckless trouble. We must not allow this sort of risk into our county next year. "

WE ARE NOBODIES wrote on Sep 7, 2007 10:36 AM:

" The people of Hardin County are NOBODIES to the Juggalos and ICP fans, and, hey, that's okay with us. We didn't ask for or want any attention, but the Juggalos sure do thrive on it. Take your party to a place where it is wanted. "

barry wrote on Sep 7, 2007 8:55 AM:

" Oh, I see, Cyanide sets the rules for these postings. Wasn't aware of that. McHenry Co has tons of gang and drugs problems, cyonide, so why don't you deal with those before you cast your hypocritical, discredited judgtment on others. "

To: Hardin County Commissioners wrote on Sep 6, 2007 3:31 PM:

" I hope the three county commissioners are reading these posts as well as posts on the other stories carried by the Southern concerning ICP and Juggalos. What a raw deal Hardin County is getting! Stand up for the residents, county commissioners. You're the ones who can do something. "

cyanide wrote on Sep 6, 2007 2:00 PM:

" well first off i never defended the cops up here so yea that arguement is now dead. second as i have stated many times before i am a high school graduate who also graduated from a secondary education in culinary arts and as we speak i am an independent security worker so yea theres another of your arguements that are null and void. it seems that u all glanced over the fact that i said i dont care what u find out about marengo because it doesnt mean anything to me. i couldnt really care any less about this whole town. again with the insults coming from behind a screen, my comment was made to point out the fact that you ppl called us all types of names and even made threats of physical violence but when u had your chance not a single one of u backed up the words u spoke. yea we required so much police that there were actually very few arrests and the only major problem that occured was outside the grounds. now all we hear is oh everyone else should pay the cops that we begged to have. also no u wouldnt have gotten with my hatchet a. because i dont always resort to violence and b. your not a threat to me. yall need to relax. oh by the way i know for a fact that i have changed some minds down there and thats all that matters. "

wicked wicked clownz wrote on Sep 5, 2007 11:32 PM:

" you hardin county people should be thanking us juggalos,if it werent for us busting on you,no one would even know you people existed,so another words,you people are nobodies,we feel bad for your kinds and we are willing to pay attention to you,lord knows your perents never did. you people dont know anything outside of farming and critisizing,theres a whole big world out here,enjoy it,explore new things,at least have an open mind.no one is telling you to rape,murder,or resort to violence,a band cant make someone do such things,try not to believe everything you read and hear,and if you do,at least try to read the positive,not the negitive. scroll down to all the comment,notice all the negitive feedback is from HC residents,notice all the insults,name calling is from HC residents,and you have nerve telling us to grow up,back at you people.admit it,nothing you expected to happen at the concert happened,so your trying your best to make something happen just so you wont be proven wrong,and the death wasnt our fault,was your hospital and police dept. so stop embarrassing yourselves by acting all innocent,you come off as being so loving and welcomed us with open arms and the juggalos were so mean and bad when in reality,it was just the opposite and you cant handle the facts,we loved hardin county,(hog rock) and we will return,hopefully Mr York will fight for his rights and hopefully you HC people will open your eyes and hearts and notice that times are changing,its 2007,not 1960s "

Rocko wrote on Sep 5, 2007 10:48 PM:

" I love how all the ICP people make fun that people are still commenting on them. I love it because, unless the Southern has put out a national edition, they have to make the effort to actually come online and look us up. So, while you are ridiculing us for keeping this story going, you are actually doing the same thing!! But, it just shows those good old ICP fan brains at work now, doesn't it? "

the enlightened wrote on Sep 5, 2007 10:45 PM:

" Oh, CYanide, you poor troubled soul. You don't like us, no? We are so sorry about that. Our only job here in HC is to think of ways to make CYanide happy. I am crushed you did not like us; you are so obsessed with your little band that I so hoped you would approve of us hicks. Some people would say you and your little clown band are really big hypocrites, but I don't know. Is saying you are peaceful people with a wonderful message and then blasting people in HC hypocritical? Oh, then ,maybe I was wrong. It is just that we miss you so down here, Mr. cyanide. How did you get that name? I hope it doesn' t mean you had such bitter childhood you mad at big world now. Fly, cyanide, fly back to Merengue, or wherever you are from and be happy. Forget the meanies down in bad old Hardin County. But, do please keep us in your thoughts as you grow older, as you graduate high school and if you can get into college. Our world has changed, and we are blessed with your presence here in Hardin. And we don't believe for a second all those bad news accts about how violent you guys are, no, not us. "

another hypocrit wrote on Sep 5, 2007 6:30 PM:

" Cyanide, You have been the biggest criticizer of the state and local police down here, calling us podunk cops. But, look at what your own paper says: Marengo has one of the worst police departments in Northern Illinois. City Hall is no better. Marengo will sure be know as the breeding hole for bad cops and politicians. What say you about our cops down here? So much more podunk than your so esteemed cops up north? ICP Hypocrisy continues unabated.... "

the almighty wrote on Sep 5, 2007 5:32 PM:

" Yes, we were blessed by the presence of The Almight Cyanide here. Will we ever be the same??? His intellect alone has created changes of all kinds here. Please, oh, please visit us again and share with us your hallowed wisdome on maturity. "

Cyanide PUH LEEZE! wrote on Sep 5, 2007 4:11 PM:

" Lord knows I was out looking for you Cyanide..Why a man of your importance in my humble county! Of course I was hoping for a glimpse of you and I have wept endlessly to know that I missed that chance...Good grief you people are a RIOT!..So what if I HAD of come to your face and said what I felt?..Would I have got it with your hatchet? "

security wrote on Sep 5, 2007 3:10 PM:

" Cyanide forgets that his little group required so much security in terms of police that no one COULD get close to him. Maybe you should hang out with your buddy, wicked wicked clownz, he sounds real intelligent. Hey, glad to see you are still interested in us down here. "

YaY! wrote on Sep 5, 2007 9:41 AM:

" STILL the top story!!!! keep your kids interested! keep it up hardON county! "

wicked wicked clownz wrote on Sep 5, 2007 12:36 AM:

" if it werent for icp,no one would even know your town existed,and i also liked the countryside and want to enjoy it,and i will return again,with or without the concert and yes your unemployment rate is up,thats probably because you would rather sit on your butts and collect welfare and type nasty hate messeges! the juggalos and lettes brought thousands and thousands of dollars to your area,the smart business owners reeped in our money,they welcomed us and were very nice,the majority of the people of hardin county welcomed us,smiled,waved and spoke to us,only a few of you bad apples chose to be rude,hopefully the gathering will be there next year and hopefully youll all come join us so you can see firsthand what its about,not listen to gossip or read lies from haters,MMCL woop woop "

Johnnie wrote on Sep 4, 2007 9:41 PM:

" Well, I live in Williamson County and I have never before heard anyone say Hardin County is not "popular," which I don't even know what that means. Hopefully LFS is not from here, but if so, I can assure you that this concert will not/would not be allowed here. Whether you are a juggalloo acting like you are a local, which I suspect, or you are just plain burned out on life, you cannot speak for me. I personally love going down to Hardin from my home in Marion and spending many quiet days in the beautiful country. SO, yes, please, LFS, if you are going to throw stones, it is only fair to tell us what county YOU are from. If, as we suspect, you are not even from here, you will not know one county anyway. I do not believe you are from here because you would know the entire area has rather high unemployment, but we still all pull for each other. I think HC handled this incident with grace and class, and I hope that ICP is not allowed to come back. "

Jerry wrote on Sep 3, 2007 1:12 PM:

" LFS comments are simply irrelevant, so I won't comment, althoug it sounds like LFS likes us for Hog Rock. Anyway, are you clowns STILL on the attack against us? AFter awhile you have to wonder why you hate us so much since you left over a month ago. Sounds like some deep insecurity problem on your own part. But, I do enjoy your attacks on us, because it makes me realize how happy I am. "

To Owen wrote on Sep 2, 2007 5:45 PM:

" Only a 25% success rate in getting posted? How much time do you have on your hands? How many times do you write? Wow, you are obsessed with the worst band ever, and that is not me talking , that is Blender magazine. Get a life, pal, you sound reasonably intelligent. "

And one more thing, LFS: wrote on Sep 2, 2007 3:21 PM:

" Take Hog Rock with you. "

TO LFS wrote on Sep 2, 2007 5:01 AM:

" I too live in a neighboring county and your insults to Hardin County are typical crap of a grown up juggalo/ette who doesn't have the intelligence to base anything on fact so has to resort to name calling..And who are YOU to speak for the rest of us in Southern Illinois about whose fav county is what?..Why don't you and your little clown friends go play somewhere else? It is digusting enough when people from out of the area run down our area, but when locals do it it makes me SICK! You don't like it here sweetie then MOVE! Preferably to downtown Baghdad! "

LFS wrote on Sep 1, 2007 1:31 PM:

" Its kinda funny that Hardin County has the #1 unemployment rate in Southern Illinois! Maybe next year instead of fighting with us, work with us and open your stores and make some money that you obviously need! County's like yours make the rest of Southern Illinois look like a bunch of deadbeat rednecks... For the record I live in a neighboring county, so dont start with the.."Your not even from around here"comments because ive lived here for almost 30 years, and Hardin county is not Southern Illinois favorite county by far... If it wasnt for HogRock we would give you to KY..... Now...Bring on the comments! "

Owen wrote on Sep 1, 2007 10:21 AM:

" I keep posting on here with a 25% success rate and The Southern won't return my emails, but here goes: For the record, there are over 2 million juggalos out there. "

common sense wrote on Aug 31, 2007 4:23 PM:

" Cyanide, Huh? Your writing never makes sense. First, you are old news. The only people still calling names are you guys. Your 15 minutes are up, so go back to your drug stupor. If this band is so well known, and it is NOT since it's officially called the worst band ever, worse than Michael Bolton, (that is good), then why in the biggest concert of the year could ONLY 6000 PEOPLE SHOW UP?????? pathetic, now go away and back to being irrelevant. "

To southern illinoisan wrote on Aug 30, 2007 10:07 PM:

" Whatever. Grow up, accept responsibility. "

southern illinoisan wrote on Aug 30, 2007 4:55 PM:

" dang i should have went to see what all this fuss was about.....honestly though some of you ought to get out into the real world a lil more.....i can totally see your podunk police force making up bogus claims to try and get money and the same goes for the state police as well to some extent.... "

willy wrote on Aug 29, 2007 8:48 PM:

" These blowhards have come and gone and I am sure our bd will finally take some action to keep the out next year. If this does succeed in keeping out scum like this in the future, then I will say it was worth it. Thanks to ICP we can now see what we need to do to clean up our county and shed this outlaw image we have here. "

educated? wrote on Aug 29, 2007 1:54 PM:

" Jugs are educated and love God? are you serious? I am not a religious person, but do you really expect us to believe that a religious group as you claim to be would be out consuming massive quantities of drugs out there? Or parading around nude as we have seen on videos? DO you really think the devil them the band uses is considered religious? Come on, we are not stupid. I have no problem with you, I just wish you guys would admit what you are. And as for teachers, soldiers, etc., what are you talking about? What about the 149,990 troops in Iraq who do NOT listen to this ICP group? Just because 10 do you think we are supposed to endorse you? You are giving yourselves too much credit. You are a very unknown band, also named the worst group ever, so you really do not have near the fans you think you do. "

To:Educated Juggalette wrote on Aug 29, 2007 11:48 AM:

" If you are as educated as you claim to be then you should know what the Bible says about false prophets. For intstance Mathew 24:11 says: "And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many". So you see simply having a tattoo of Christ or professing that your songs are good intentioned does not make it true. Satan isn't known as the great deciever for nothing. He works to subtly lead people astray because that works better than being overt. So how can you tell the true from the false? Mathew 16-20 has the answer: "Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them". So what kind of fruits are ICP and juggalos known for? "

Educated Juggalette! wrote on Aug 29, 2007 12:29 AM:

" Since everyone in "HC" thinks they know everything about every juggalette and juggalo on earth all 6,000 of us LMFAO and trust me the number is waaaaay higher than that. Let me just state that I am not a drug addict or drunk. I graduated highschool with a 4.0 GPA how many of your kids did that? I've had a job since I was 12 and I'm 25 now,have your kids worked since they were 12? And I know what it's like to be EDUCATED about other groups of people and also not to open my mouth and speak on something I know nothing about. Icp does not speak about RAPE and are not satanic. One of the members of icp has jesus christ tattooed on himself. If any of you had any sort of open mind what so ever you would take a second and listen to icp's music. The wraith cd has icp quoted as saying" THE CARNIVAL IS GOD AND MAY ALL JUGGALOS FIND HIM" hmm pretty strange for a "satanic" group don't ya think?? Icp tells stories with their music. Like a modern day Kiss or Alice Cooper. Did any of you know that Juggaloism is taught as an actual college course? That elementary school teachers are juggalos and juggalettes? Moms and dads in their 40's and 50's are juggalettes and juggalos? I even know juggalos who are POLICE officers. Oh and what about the ones fighting for our country in Iraq are they scum too? "

Golobo wrote on Aug 28, 2007 9:30 PM:

" Any other clown losers want to comment before you supposedly leave???? It doesn't seem like you have, you keep whining about how you were treated. "

jilly wrote on Aug 28, 2007 7:45 PM:

" You are gone??? Wait, wait, did I hear you say you are gone??? I guess I just did not realize that you were gone as much as you all have obsessed over our area for a month now, and managed to blame us for every disturbance you caused. Wow, if you are gone, then why are you still writing? Quit obsessing over Hardin County and your group ICP and good luck straightening out your lives. "

Lankey wrote on Aug 28, 2007 1:24 PM:

" We are gone... Get over it, its been almost a month... "

NY state of mind wrote on Aug 24, 2007 11:45 PM:

" Owen, think before you write next time. New york state has so many problems it is unreal. You have no standing to be critical of our lifestyle coming from the state that is the entry for drugs into the U.S. from other countries. You have rampant crime in every corner of the state, not just the city. The gall of people like Owen, who live in big glass houses, is apalling to me. Hardin is no different than anywhere else. And I'll take my chances here than in New York. Why don't you devote your efforts to cleaning up your state instead of sitting on your throne and trying to case judgment on Hardin County. Drop the denial; you live in NY you have a meth problem in your county. Although cocaine is more in epidemic proportions there. "

To Owen wrote on Aug 24, 2007 6:36 PM:

" Owen I lived in Syracuse, now I live down here in Saline CO, next to Hardin. SYracuse has so many problems they don't even know what to do. And you talk about drugs!!!! Syracuse has massive drugs swimming all over that city. It is a pit. So, keep your criticisms in your home state and solve those problems. Do you sit in judgment of Syracuse like you do of us? By the way, for no reason, I was treated extremely rudely by those in New York state when I was there just because they are unfriendly people. That made me uncomfortable. So you were uncomfortable in Hardin County? Too bad. You are not from a nice area, sir. Lay off your judgment of us. "

visitor wrote on Aug 24, 2007 3:35 PM:

" Owen is insisting that the people of HC were mean and rude to his fellow babies. Well, Owen, I have had occasion to travel all over the state of New York on many many occasions, and without exception the people there ALL OVER are rude and obnoxious for no reason. So, don't sit there in judgment of how WE act towards you when you come from one of the rudest states in the country, and I don't just mean New York City. "

flattered wrote on Aug 24, 2007 3:20 PM:

" It's very flattering to see that so many out of state people are taking an interest in us here in HC. Owen is from New York, and yet he hangs on to us here. Too bad he and his other friends don't put their efforts more into something worthwhile than posting note after note trying to defend this human garbage. Think of what else you could do with all of your spare time. If you are now so interested in our area, you can buy here. "

Owen wrote on Aug 24, 2007 3:15 AM:

" Again...for the third time...no one denied that New York has drugs. I simply stated that my county does not have a 'serious meth problem.' And now, for the second time, THAT'S NOT THE POINT. The point is (again, second time) that drugs existed in Hardin County BEFORE anyone there ever heard of 'The Gathering.' As for people clamoring about how cities here are ranked as 'bottom places to live,' I checked the worst 300 cities to live in the US and the closest to the 'bottom' was Rochester at #50. To those who said NY is the drug capital of the world, that title in fact goes to Columbia. Do some research before you 'discredit' someone. And, again,(4th time) I don't personally use drugs. I do drink sparsely(once a week or less) but last time I checked that was still legal. As far as strict police, I have no problem with strict police but the FACT remains that there are MANY innocent people who received completely bogus charges(said this too many times to remember). Why is that being ignored? "

Thankful wrote on Aug 23, 2007 4:23 PM:

" I'm glad you think the Police were strict. Stay Home. I think the State Police were extremely professional and showed respect and courtesy every time I dealt with them. The Sheriff's dept was said to be very ticket happy, but maybe that was the message given to them. Make you want to stay away? Don't Like it? STAY OUT!!! "

re state wrote on Aug 23, 2007 12:35 PM:

" I'm in your corner save for the fact your a player in an never ending story. The old expression or question "why do they call illegal drugs dope" still holds true. Our war on drugs is similar to our occupying Iraq. It's likely to go on for ever. We can build more prisons to accommodate Meth pusher addicts and convert others like the feds have Marion's Super Max to handle meth addicted inmates, but wouldn't it be better, in the long run, to have a heavy duty anti dope education plan included preK through 12th grade. Personally. I'm ordinarily conservative on law and order issues, but since we can't silence the demand for dope. I believe we ought to legalize it and by so doing. We would, at the very least, eliminate most of the criminal eliminate associated with dope trafficking. Since most Meth addicts are poor. Many more tax payer supported rehab facilities would be a plus too. For those amongst us who don't want their tax dollars helping rehabilitate dope addicts I say to you. T. S. And before someone brings it up. I'm aware of the high number of rehabbed who relapse. I'm also a firm believer in that oldie, but goody that goes: If at first we don't succeed. try, try again. "

state wrote on Aug 23, 2007 9:29 AM:

" The drug task force in Illinois, Owen, is one of the most efficient in the country. Working in the field, I know that New York, along with many many states, including Illinois, has drug problems, with no state particularly worse. For the people who are making uneducated statements that Illinois, particulary Hardin Co, have an unusual meth problem, it is unfortunate, and it only adds to the problem. There is meth in Hardin, there is meth in Illinois, Indiana, Missouri, all the states in the Midwest and South, but there is also what we classify as an epidemic on the East Coast. The cities in particular are being hard hit, like New York, Chicago, etc. It is easier to try to contain the problme in rural areas where labs can be detected, often with the assistance of locals. I find it unfortunate and not helpful that you who have no knowledge of what you are talking about are casting Hardin CO as some meth riddled county, when, in fact, it is likely no different than the county from which you come. That is the state of affairs in our country today. As someone in the field, I find it particularly disappointing that there are still bands out there who glorify the use of drugs. If they could spend a day with me, perhaps that would change. "

sorry Binky familiar wrote on Aug 23, 2007 7:18 AM:

" My record, including my MVR, is as clean as the driven snow. "

whoaa nellie wrote on Aug 22, 2007 11:38 PM:

" OWEN, NEW YORK STATE IS THE DRUG CAPITAL OF THE WORLD!! WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???? "

Owen wrote on Aug 22, 2007 7:22 PM:

" The amount of meth SEIZED BY POLICE(which is different than total production/trafficking) just means that New York cops are doing a better job of searching it out. Plus, if you take into account the 30 million people in NY and the under 15 million in Illinois and then divide Kg/Capita, which place seems to have the serious problem? So...like I said...New York does not have a "serious meth problem." I never made the claim that there was zero meth or other drugs present. Use your brain and not your search engine to make such statements. Besides, the fact that other places have drugs is irrelevant. The point was that drugs were present in Hardin County LONG BEFORE the Gathering. Not that drug use is condoned and absent from everywhere else. I don't deny that there is drug use at the Gathering but understand that there are people there who don't even smoke cigarettes or drink much less use illegal substances. YES, I understand that drugs are illegal. YES, I understand that alot of people were legitimately pulled over/ticketed/arrested. But there are plenty of people who did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING wrong or illegal and were punished for it. I never take issue with tickets that I earn and recently paid a 250$ fine for speeding on the thruway. I deserved it, I paid the fine, I didn't complain. These cops honestly just had it in for us. "

voter wrote on Aug 22, 2007 5:26 PM:

" Yes, thanks for the names. Now I think it is time to pin down each county member on their position on this thing. I will make sure I vote and I will make sure I vote against these thugs coming back to our county. "

found some, too wrote on Aug 22, 2007 3:03 PM:

" Hey, I remember some Indy people knocking our area, hmmm, well I can look and see what they have as well: The number of methamphetamine laboratories processed by the Indiana State Police forensics laboratory has doubled every year since 1994, with the exception of 1999, when they more than tripled. Indiana State Police and drug experts are predicting a continuing escalation of methamphetamine availability throughout Indiana. SO, TO ALL THOSE WHO DENY THEY COME FROM A METH AREA, KEEP IT COMING. WE CAN PROVE YOU DO AND YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN HARDIN. "

binky wrote on Aug 22, 2007 2:50 PM:

" Mary Jane, would you just stop and think for a minute. Your argument is fine and dandy but it ignores the most obvious fact: DRUGS ARE ILLEGAL. You may not agree with that, and you may feel it is less harmful than booze, but DRUGS ARE ILLEGAL. Tell you what, you make that same argument to a cop next time you are stopped for possession, and please let us all know what the cop tells you. "

infor wrote on Aug 22, 2007 1:23 PM:

" Thanks for the names of HC commissioners. Now we need to find out what each one's position on this disaster is and what they plan to do to prevent it from coming here next year. "

high and mighty wrote on Aug 22, 2007 12:39 PM:

" well owen ,look at what your state concluded: Recent developments in New York State and New York City provides serious evidence that the proliferation of meth use and manufacture has clearly come to New York. "

Hey Owen wrote on Aug 22, 2007 12:24 PM:

" Explain these stats for me, please, since you have no problem over there in NY Meth seized in New York 2006: 3.2 kgs In Illinois, 2.9 kgs. By my count, you have more. "

Well, well wrote on Aug 22, 2007 12:20 PM:

" OWEN, YOU ARE CORRECT. NEW YORK STATE HAS NOT AS MANY PROBLEMS AS METH, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS NEWS STORY: Crack cocaine is readily available in economically depressed areas in all major New York cities, along with some suburban and semi-rural areas, and is occasionally a source of violence in upstate cities. Such violence usually occurs when new dealers challenge more established dealers over territory. While methamphetamine trafficking and abuse in New York State is a less serious problem when compared to heroin, cocaine, crack, and MDMA. New York has a somewhat bifurcated methamphetamine market. In the New York City area, the market is primarily for crystal methamphetamine sourced from the West Coast of the United States. The upstate market is primarily methamphetamine powder supplied by local clandestine labs, which are becoming more common. In December 2006 under Operation Crystal Apple, DEA NY along with the Northern District of NY announced multiple arrests and seizures of drugs and firearms relating to an investigation of distribution in upstate New York, of multiple pounds of methamphetamine supplied from the southwest border. "

shocking wrote on Aug 22, 2007 12:13 PM:

" It is so sad to me that so many young people are shirking their responsibilities and claiming the police had it out for them. This is an unhealthy attitude and one that says you are not ready for adulthood. You need to just own up to your faults and move on. I find it very adolescent and immature to continue to do this. "

tears wrote on Aug 22, 2007 12:01 PM:

" Owen, you need help. No one is lynched for an extremely poor choice of music. And cut the junk, the cops here are tough and you found that out. Now be an adult and deal with it. You have no sympathy from the local residents whom you despise who have to obey the law every day around here because of the law. You are nothing special. "

Owen wrote on Aug 22, 2007 9:36 AM:

" True that obeying the law would have stopped many of these citations. But please allow yourselves to think for a minute that perhaps some of these tickets and harassment happened to people who hadn't done a thing wrong. Then ask yourselves how you'd feel if you had come from another country to see some bands perform and were threatened with jail time for using your highbeams on a road with cautionary deer signs. Why are some of you so overjoyed to see that people who have done you no wrong were accosted? It seems awfully mean spirited. I brought no ill will with me to give to the people of Hardin County, respected your property, respected your people, and patronized your businesses yet you rejoice when I am needlessly harassed. To those of you who keep saying things like "wah wah, mommie the law was mean to me" I'd wager that you are the same people 'wah wah'-ing that the concert was allowed to go on and that it will cost the taxpayers. It's a disgraceful and juvenile display of prejudice. Some of you(not all) seem so volatile and unmodernized that I'm surprised no one was lynched. I'd like to remind you that malice is one of the seven deadly sins. "

mary jane wrote on Aug 22, 2007 8:58 AM:

" Pot, hemp, hash, grass, or what ever you want to call it is on par with, although less damaging than is booze. To say grass causes as much family disruption as booze is incorrect. Like prohibiting booze didn't work. Prohibiting marijuana use hasn't worked either and look at all the possible tax money lost and spent as a result. Making an old argument to an even older thinking group is a waste of time. "

message of thanks wrote on Aug 21, 2007 9:26 PM:

" As a Hardin County resident, with no ties to Levee Pond (that is directed to our friend Elizabethtown), I wish to add my congratulations to the hard work and confidence instilled by all of the police who worked this horrid event. Standing in the merciless heat to babysit a group of people who should know better I am sure was difficult, but you made us proud. Thank you for keeping this thing under control, and I am sorry you were not allowed onto the grounds, where more trouble would have been averted. "

insight wrote on Aug 21, 2007 9:22 PM:

" Let us not forget that this band was named the all time worst group ever. So, Hardin County, if you are willing to listen to the whining and hypocritcal carping of fans of the worst band ever, you can't be serious. The only way this group stays anywhere near the bottom of the relevancy radar screen is through the attention they get for being violent, destructive, and advocating all things illegal in our society. Yet, with this ranking, they remain the trashheap of history's band bands. That is why I refuse to take what they have to say with anything but a laugh. It is particulary sad that they have fallen for this worst band ever's desperate attempt to stay in business, that is, hold a gathering and claim you are family. Well, there is a sucker born every minute, and 6000 of them were in our midst recently. "

Need to know wrote on Aug 21, 2007 8:46 PM:

" I am old enough to vote now. I need to know the names of each hardin co board member. It is time to lobby them, or vote them out if they go against the wishes of this county and allow this freakshow to return next year. "

elections wrote on Aug 21, 2007 8:43 PM:

" We have one year, and if our weak spineless board allows this even to occur here next year, we can make sure none of them are returned to their seat. It is time for some strong leadership in this county, like they have in the counties above us..Saline, Williamson, Jackson, etc. None of this would have happened there. This county has absolutely no leadership and it shows when these events are allowed to happen. I am sick of being the butt of jokes in the region and to be known as the dumping ground of the south for allowing this junk to go on. "

starman wrote on Aug 21, 2007 7:52 PM:

" THANK YOU TO ALL POLICE FOR AN EXCELLENT JOB OF KEEPING CONTROL AND ENFORCING THE LAW. "

Julia wrote on Aug 21, 2007 7:26 PM:

" I am writing this of my own free will Mr. Hc Multi Poster, so chew on that. Your group is disgusting and your message is evil to our kids. And I support fully the job done by our law enforcement and the excellent job they did of keeping the pigs in the pen. I don't go to Levee Pond, Ms Elizabethtown. And I will work with the groups already forming to combat this fiasco from repeating here next year. "

big bay wrote on Aug 21, 2007 4:55 PM:

" I also support our police force who worked hard against these thugs. These people trashed the entire area out there, and they are whining about how they got stopped by the police simply for breaking the law!! Imagine. I am glad to see there is a concerted effort already started to prevent this from happening here next year, and I am pleased to see it is NOT being led by Levee Pond. "

justine wrote on Aug 21, 2007 4:25 PM:

" i think the state and local police are to be commended for their heroic efforts. I am not a Levee Ponder, and not religious, but this group of vile kids are more than we need to take on. Congratulations our law for helping us out. "

crayon wrote on Aug 21, 2007 4:12 PM:

" Go state and local police! Keep up the great work. The locals support you. "

rob wrote on Aug 21, 2007 2:48 PM:

" I think the police did a heck of a job, and I pat them on the back for their efforts. It's hard keeping these freaks in order. If only they would have let you on the grounds like they originally said they would, alot of the problems could have been avoided. Good job. "

sara wrote on Aug 21, 2007 1:32 PM:

" thank you all police for doing your job! "

lester wrote on Aug 21, 2007 12:55 PM:

" The police did a wonderful job and we congratule you. To those complaining, obey the law. "

louie wrote on Aug 21, 2007 12:16 PM:

" Many thanks to the state and local police for a fine job. Don't listen to the crybabies, if they had obeyed the law this wouldn't have happened. Our family thanks you. "

well done wrote on Aug 21, 2007 11:24 AM:

" GREAT JOB BY ALL THE POLICE OUT THERE. YOU KEPT THESE YAHOOS FROM RAMPAGING, AND YOU DESERVE A PAT ON THE BACK FOR WORKING IN EXTREME HEAT AWAY FROM YOUR FAMILIES FOR THE WEEKEND. WE THANK YOU. "

Jerry wrote on Aug 21, 2007 11:17 AM:

" Thank you to all the hard working state and local police who did their best despite being denied access to the freakshow. You made us proud by keeping these moaners in order. "

dough wrote on Aug 21, 2007 11:05 AM:

" I CONGRATULE THE STATE AND LOCAL POLICE ON A JOB WELL DONE. "

farlie wrote on Aug 20, 2007 11:47 PM:

" Speak for yourself only, Elizabethtown. I am not hypocritical at all, I have no religious ties, and I still would never welcome this farce again. Maybe you need to examine what is going on in your own life as to why you would. Don't go using words you don't understand. "

bandy wrote on Aug 20, 2007 9:11 PM:

" I live in HC, don't go to Levee Pond and have no objection on religious grounds. BUt I will never ever support these sickos again. The disgust they showed me was pathetic. I met many of them and the ones who were coherent enough to talk were absolutely disgusting. "

golly wrote on Aug 20, 2007 8:25 PM:

" I remember the good old days of being a kid when I could destroy things, break the law, and then blame someone else. It was always the cops fault, not mine. It was always the host of the party, not mine. Course, then I grew up and realized that just didn't hold true in the real world. "

Randy wrote on Aug 20, 2007 8:07 PM:

" My doorstep is clean and so is that of my family, Ms Elizabethtown. I have absolutely no affiliation with Levee Pond, in fact, I do not attend a church. I know of no one who has a dirty doorstep, though, of course there are. And I strongly oppose this circus coming in. We are working to stop what violence does occur, mostly domestic feuds, and do not need any more added in our mix. I have lived here my whole life, not just "most" of it as you have, and my family's family on down the line has, and this is not a group that should ever be made to beel welcome here. "

to etown wrote on Aug 20, 2007 8:04 PM:

" So, you welcome them. Well you are in a minority that is for sure. The difference here is that we admit we have problems in HC, and we try to do what we can to right them, no matter how hard it is. I am not a Levee Ponder, don't know what that even is, and I do not want this group here. You see, while we try to work to stop the problems in this county, this group does nothing of the sort. It makes no effort to do anything but spread its word and encourage more drug use and violence. So, you are not speaking for many when you say you support them. And for your information, the tons of residents who join me in opposing this filth are not in any way affiliated with Levee Pond. "

credible wrote on Aug 20, 2007 4:11 PM:

" No press and no police. Right, and we are supposed to take these people's word for it that they were so peaceful out there in the woods. You guys lost all credibility a long time ago with this little stunt. "

Lowber wrote on Aug 20, 2007 3:12 PM:

" This band has the same number of fans in the world as we have residents of Hardin County. If someone is going to criticize us, at least let it be someone who matters. "

no genius wrote on Aug 20, 2007 3:10 PM:

" It really does not take a genius to figure it out. Obey the law, and you don't attract the attention of the police, kids. Do they not still teach that in your junior high? "

thanks wrote on Aug 20, 2007 2:39 PM:

" Thank you to all the police who worked this event. I think you can see by the attitude offered by the likes of cyanide and many more exactly why security was needed. Congratulations on a fine job. "

cyanide wrote on Aug 20, 2007 1:31 PM:

" one last thing, i live in illinois and have never once been pulled over for anything hanging in my rearview mirror. "

Grey wrote on Aug 19, 2007 10:07 PM:

" Yup, I will survive the criticism you have hurled at your hosts for fandgango 07. Thank you for disapproving of me, it makes it easier to explain to my HC teen. "

a juggalos mom wrote on Aug 19, 2007 9:27 AM:

" regardless of what you hardin county people did,what your finest cops did,no matter what you all said,it doesnt matter,my 17yr old son had a wonderful time there and thats all that matters,he said there was plenty of water and plenty of faygo,there was a misting tent and they had it set on drench,there was a lake,hot & cold showers,friendly people and good food and tons of awsome bands,a wonderful location and he is already planning for next years gathering....Mr York, thank you for letting pyschopatic have there gathering there,it was an awsome campground,backwoods,and for letting our kids be kids without judging them because of there appearance and style of music.you were a great host,hope you let them hold the gathering there again. MCL "

ada wrote on Aug 18, 2007 9:54 PM:

" No, Wendy really is sick. "

babycries wrote on Aug 17, 2007 11:18 PM:

" Mommy and Daddy, I know I sing about rape, killing, the devil and violence, but those mean people in Hardin County, IL just don't understand me!!! It's not my fault, mommy, they are just ignorant. Everyone who doesn't understand me is just ignorant, mommy, and I know only 6000 people in the world follow my dynamite band, but we are so misunderstood. "

K. K. wrote on Aug 17, 2007 10:12 PM:

" Everyone was warned about the heat, how deadly it was. I believe even a physician wrote about what to avoid in the heat, and to drink a lot of water.I think, even someone from Indiana wrote, we have hot weather in Indiana.So we can handle it, well evidently not. As far as the arrest's, things hanging from the rear view mirror isn't allowed in Illinois. Illinoisan get a ticket for this also.So don't feel special!We also have to buckle our seat belts.If everyone had checked out the rules of the road in Illinois, a lot of this would have been avoided. Saying that the police was responsible for his death is ridiculous he was probably so anxious to get back to the concert, nobody could tell him anything.If the police tried to restrain him, nobody would approve of that either. "

nursery wrote on Aug 17, 2007 9:18 PM:

" WAAAAAAAAAAA!!! I am taking my ball and going home!! Mommy, they mistreated me in hardin!! Do something about it mommy!! "

spotty wrote on Aug 17, 2007 12:18 PM:

" GO PACKERS!!! "

Angela wrote on Aug 17, 2007 12:11 PM:

" Some of you people are just unbelievable. You claim that your little smattering of police is what kept us in line. There were so few of them I can promise they weren't FORCING US TO BEHAVE. Then you have the nerve to complain about the extra cost of those police that you pushed to have watching over us. Your police DID infact harass many coming in. They gave them tickets for things that are just plain silly. Like the ticket for having a string of mardi gras beads hanging from a review mirror. Or FORCING people to pay out %10 of their ticket in cash on the side of the road or they go to jail. I have never in my life heard of such insanity. Or the girl that the cop took her license and told her if she paid him $150.00 bucks he wouldn't write her a ticket for not having a license.... You people are unbelievable really. You harass us, belittle us, slander us, and then complain that we cost YOU MONEY!!!! I'm certain that a goodly portion of the money from those tickets will cover some of the expense of hiring those ultra expensive babysitters. Just as a quick reply to some commments. I am not a brat. I grew up very poor, and worked really hard to get where I am today, which is apparently better off then the average person in the US. I don't drink or do drugs and I pay taxes. "

Appalled wrote on Aug 17, 2007 11:27 AM:

" Of course the costs of the Gathering have not been tallied yet, but I feel the debate is about to get even more diabolical. Seems they have tied a body found in Cave-In-Rock with the Gathering. My only comment to this is HOW ON EARTH can someone who is in a group that large go 'missing' during something like this and nobody knows anything. Sad - maybe the fears were justified.. "

juggalo from florida wrote on Aug 16, 2007 7:02 PM:

" i was outraged by the behavior of the hardin county police department and some of the locals while i was out at the gathering. i personally think that their thought of us is ridiculous. we dont promote violence or satanism of any kind. i really hope that we dont have the gathering there next year because obviously we werent welcome. "

to Wow wrote on Aug 15, 2007 7:12 PM:

" NO, there are not that many drug arrests at any event. And, let's face reality. The only reason there were not hundreds is because the police were NOT GRANTED ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY. You can rest assurred there would have been tons and tons more. And there is another local paper that printed a story about how many problems actually did occur, maybe you missed that. Essentially the county people said no way to another one of these rituals. And, I loudly applaud the state police and county law for doing their best to keep you guys under control. It took the size of an army to do it, and I think they should be pleased. What kind of group has anyone ever seen with that kind of security around, like a military camp? And, before you say that was the locals own doing, remember, the police consulted all the cities you have been to to institute a security plan, and look what they came up with. So, obviously, all the other cities told us what bad people you are, and we prepared based upon your behavior in those cities. I will never welcome a group of idiotic fans who require a small army to keep them in line on private property. You would not even be allowed on public property because then the police could have access. "

Hardin Co Neighbor wrote on Aug 15, 2007 6:40 PM:

" Of all things for hardin Co people to talk about is some people going to private property to have a good time.Not driving around drinking like most people who left the bars on Sat.Nite.I think Hardin Co. needs to worry about their youth more than people who come once or twice a year.Dont forget that your county has had quite a few young people die in the last 2 to 3 yrs from drug overdoses and drinking and driving accidents.take a good look at yourselves before you judge other people remember 10 kids dying out of 2000 people is alot.I think if you believed in what you all preach you wouldn't have judged them before they came.And also the vandalism in your town has been going on for years my friends truck had $3000 dollars worth of damage done to it in your precious county cause they tthought it would be cute to shoot it with a gun.I think some of these people are jealous that they dont get to see part of that money.Nobody tries to stop the Church bands that come to that county what if some people didnt agree with that .If you ask me TOTAL DOUBLE STANDARD!!! "

growing wrote on Aug 15, 2007 12:33 PM:

" PLEASE DO NOT LET SUCH A DRUG INDUCED FREAK SHOW EVER COME INTO HC AGAIN!! "

insane wrote on Aug 15, 2007 11:10 AM:

" The fact of the matter is that there wre many arrests and citations. There is a story in a paper that the event organizers, who promised to work with the police, instead refused to let police on private grounds. The cops could only bust those outside. So no one could be arrested outside. The story also quotes the Ill State Police saying there was massive drug usage out there, the most they have ever seen. The organizers, who held this thing, refused to contribute any money towards the costs, which is outrageous. Now, some juggies are claiming wrongful arrest, which is what they will always whine about, and they are going to sue the cops. What wonderful citizens they make, right? We are fortunate in that one of the organizers said he would never have this back here. that was the best news I read all day. "

Thank God wrote on Aug 15, 2007 11:07 AM:

" It's over!!! Now we must make sure it DOES not happen again. "

jonny wrote on Aug 14, 2007 2:51 PM:

" 500 citations for 6000 people is alot. You should be ashamed. Imagine if you will that conservatively, another 500 at least could have been written, and you are getting into some pretty big numbers. The cost to the county and state is sick in this time of tough budget, and I agree that if YORK profited so heavily, he owes that to the area. I'd love to know what he was cited for! "

READ THIS.. wrote on Aug 14, 2007 11:35 AM:

" York faired really well for 4 days. His take on the 4 days was $450,000.00 yes that is four hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Who's going to pay for the police presence. The cost of the police presence including state local, and conservation was close to $20,000 per day. How about York forking over some to the state and county to help pay for this. We all know that won't happen. Although there were over 500 citations written in 4 days. If the states attorney will do his job and enforce the citations, the county will get its cost on the event back through the paid fines. In fact they already got $5,000.00 from one person, 10% of $50,000.00 when they were arrested with a large amount of extacy. Congrats to the officer who wrote York a citation also. "

To What Happened wrote on Aug 13, 2007 9:13 PM:

" are you for real? You had all kinds of drugs going down and got busted for it. Only the extreme detail of police, which has probably never been witnessed in this part of the country, kept you in your pig pens and stopped you from your usual rioting. ON top of that, you did manage to destroy our street signs, had the whole town (many of whom were OK with you being here) hissing at your name because of that and the fact that we ALL had to chase you off our property. There are not any souls in town who want you back, I can assure you. When you guys mature, act like adults, and get jobs, maybe. "

I feel sorry for you all wrote on Aug 13, 2007 3:27 PM:

" I cant believe some of the things I have read the last few day from Hardin County residents. Especially wishing these kids ill-will. YOU CALL YOURSELVES CHRISTIANS?? WOW. I thought God was the one who will judge us all on judgment day. Maybe my lutheran upbringing is wrong - thank you for pointing that out to me. I would never wish harm or ill on anyone let alone anyone's children. These were kids that were there. From what I read they didnt bother anyone and there were a few handful that go in trouble but didnt harm anyone. You will get that anywhere you go unless you are going to lock YOUR children up in your little town and not venture out of it. good luck with that "

jaydeen wrote on Aug 12, 2007 11:01 PM:

" from what I have heard and read, there were massive drug arrests out there. If you have a kid out there, I'd have some serious questions for them. Course I wouldn't let my kid go out there in the first place. "

silly wrote on Aug 12, 2007 8:17 PM:

" It is silly to believe because someone checks this website from out of state that they somehow are not happy with where they live (out of state). I dont expect th eHardin county peeps to get that but, some of us out of staters... enjoy a freak show too! "

goro wrote on Aug 12, 2007 7:15 PM:

" Well, good to hear from former Hardin County residents. Although you pretend to be uninterested, you still check up on your local news, so not so sure you are so happy you are gone. Anyway, if you didn't like it here, I am glad for you that you decided to leave. And, I agree with you that this is a free country, so that gives us who are left behind down here to express our freedom as well. And we can be perfectly free in expressing how unhappy we are with this thing. And the filth and garbage that came into our county was horrible, I must say. I will exercise my freedom here and say that NO WAy will this group be welcome back next year. How is that for freedom? "

Why Is It? wrote on Aug 12, 2007 1:24 PM:

" How can someone like Tim York strut into a county business and rant and rave like a lunatic about the citizens of a county he doesn't even live in? How is it that he can make thinly veiled threats against citizens and business owners who "dare" close down when his disgusting festivals are going on? When are we going to be finished with this? Why do we put up with a bully??? "

To: Fed Up in Hardin Co. wrote on Aug 12, 2007 1:22 PM:

" AMEN!! Our county board has the ability to put a stop to immoral activities such as these. We need to take a stand and let them know that we will no longer be bullied by Tim York and the incentive$ he is providing them. Board members CAN be replaced! Stand up, Hardin County!! If the only way we can earn tourism dollars is by hosting filth, then we have bigger problems than we think! Let the board know how you feel! Be proactive, and help bring in POSITIVE activies! "

TO BEEN GONE wrote on Aug 12, 2007 12:14 PM:

" It's easy to criticize when you no longer live here and have to put up with this garbage every day now. And , you are so thankful you left the area, but it seems you may not be because you seem to be still checking up on us through the local newspaper. No one forced you to live here, and no one is forcing you to live life the way we do. Glad you left. "

been gone wrote on Aug 11, 2007 7:41 PM:

" I was born & raised in Hardin County & left there a long time ago. Wonder why? You people seem to forget this is a free country. Yes, even Hardin County. So they're smoking weed- whoop-de-doo. Don't panic-it's organic! At least they don't have butcher knives going after each other. jack, maybe you should have put up orange plastic tape around your property so they don't cross that line. You all sound like the neighbor kids we used to quarrel with when I was young-not much else to do then or now evidently. "

frothing wrote on Aug 11, 2007 5:16 PM:

" Well, Jack, how about a group of them on my property smoking their dope. I thought they promised to stay out there on the private land? And I though we were promised respect and law abiding fans? I'll be watching my property again tonight. "

jack wrote on Aug 11, 2007 4:11 PM:

" GET THESE PEOPLE OUT OF HERE!! THESE PEOPLE WERE ALL OVER LAST NIGHT, AND I WILL NOT LET MY KIDS OUTSIDE THE HOUSE. WHAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO CUSS ME OUT FOR ASKING YOU TO GET OFF MY PROPERTY??? "

furious wrote on Aug 11, 2007 4:03 PM:

" Well, I live here and I have been an advocate to everyone to keep an open mind that this could be good for us, and it's only music, etc. HOWEVER, these fans have disappointed me no end. As I sit here, I see the vandalism they have done in our small town, and they have been trying to take over private property. I have had to ask several of them to leave my property while they were smoking their stuff, and was cursed at. I am so disappointed that I tried hard to support this, but I failed to see what we were dealing with. I think I might understand how these folks can go wild if you put them in the middle of a city. I now have to say that in no way will I support this if they try to come back next year. It is Saturday as I write this, and I am now looking forward to this thing being over because I am very nervous. "

No wonder wrote on Aug 11, 2007 10:33 AM:

" Well, I have heard that the lovely man that is letting them use his land... is making close to 100,000 dollars during the event. No wonder he has been leasing out his land to all this. The all american dollar! "

barnyard wrote on Aug 10, 2007 10:54 PM:

" YOU SAID IT. I OWE NO ONE ANY APOLOGY FOR BEING A GOOD PERSON BORN AND RAISED IN HARDIN COUNTY. YOU DON'T LIKE ME, YOU ARE FREE TO LEAVE. "

k wrote on Aug 10, 2007 4:48 PM:

" get over you bible huggers. it's music! people express themselves through music just like you express yourselves through preaching the bible. now, just get over it. "

Righto wrote on Aug 10, 2007 4:05 PM:

" I agree. I heard of these guys a few years ago when I was in high school, but only teenies followed them. I didn't realize they were still around or that people over the age of 15 thought this stuff was funny. That is a little scary.... "

Wait a second, wrote on Aug 10, 2007 3:40 PM:

" These morons that represent a pathetic excuse for music talent are still around?!? What ignorant fool listens to these jokers anyway? Honestly, I'm embarrassed to actually know who they are! Grow up people! "

read it wrote on Aug 10, 2007 12:06 PM:

" Just read a story over the lines about the arrests being made out there for various reasons. Hmmm. Oh, I know, they are misunderstood. "

john wrote on Aug 10, 2007 10:30 AM:

" Hmmm, just saw a news story on the number of marijuana arrests being made of juggies going INTO the concert grounds. Now, that is very peaceful and law abiding, isn't it? Thought you were going to obey all of our local laws? Oh, I know, you're going to say, "but everybody does it, who hasn't at a concert" because you have an explanation for everything. Keep up the drug supply, juggies, you are doing yourselves proud. "

To wondering wrote on Aug 9, 2007 6:36 PM:

" Awful cocky for the FIRST day, aren't you? Your band doesn't even come on until SUNDAY NIGHT. Boy, did they rip you off. And, to answer your question, we can only imagine what you people are doing out there in the woods. "

To Satire wrote on Aug 9, 2007 4:16 PM:

" No, I think you are wrong. I am a liberal, and find nothing offensive with those harry potter books, etc. The fact is that this is a band that is known for violence, and that is my concern. Putting aside the lyrics, which is hard, it boils down to ONE concern, and that is that the people of this group are known to cause all kinds of trouble every where they go. True. Aside from that, I don't care. If they want to worship the devil, I don't care. But, where I do care is that we are a tiny tiny little town here and there are way many more of them here than live in our entire county, and they are known to be violent and destructive. I can only hope and trust in our law enforcement that nothing happens. I have kids, and I do not believe I am being silly or a worry wart at all. It is easy for those who do not live around here to say it is no big deal. To them, I say come out here where I am, just a very short drive down a rural road from this place and tell me I have absolutely nothing to worry about. "

Yup wrote on Aug 9, 2007 11:00 AM:

" I am going to agree with "Wary" because when you read that song you all praise all the way through, it sure seems to me like they are talking about hell. I read it the same way, that is where they are going and they want you to go with them. Now, who else are we all aware of that wants us to follow him down there? "

Randy wrote on Aug 9, 2007 10:58 AM:

" Exactly, first YOU ARE WHITE. Second, savannah, you are here to "rock the dead?" That is morbid and I would venture to say a little satanic? Your posting in defense of your group is actually one of the scarier ones I have read. And, thanks, we were already worried and now you tell us you are all "10x crazier" than we thought? I don't think we do have enough law out there. "

Wanna be's wrote on Aug 9, 2007 10:24 AM:

" Someone please tell these losers they are white. Seriously, get a life fellas "

LUCILLE wrote on Aug 9, 2007 6:56 AM:

" CAN'T WAIT TILL MONDAY'S PAPER TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED OVER THE WEEKEND. HOPEFULLY ALL WILL BE WELL, HOPEFULLY JUST SOME HEAT EXHAUSTION. SOMEONE FROM HARDIN COUNTY PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF THERE WAS THIS MUCH FUSS WHEN MR.YORK STARTED THE HOG ROCK? YA KNOW, SOMETIMES PEOPLE ARE TO QUICK TO JUDGE.DID MR.DEGRAVE AN CHURCH MEMBERS STAND UP THEN AN MAKE A STINK ABOUT MOTORCYCLE RIDERS? WAIT & SEE ACTION HERE. GET BACK WITH ON MONDAY/////// "

new wrote on Aug 8, 2007 1:03 PM:

" When was the last time so many psychos gathered in our county at one time? And when will our county board do something to make sure it doesn't happen again? The garbage here this weekend with riled up haters will do nothing good for our county. I will never try to help those who have caused violence and grief repeatedly wherever they go. I can only hope that by sticking this filth out in the woods they will stay there. "

To Curt wrote on Aug 8, 2007 12:54 PM:

" I am not a preacher, so I must be a redneck by your definition. I am most sorry if you do not agree that I have the right to be concerned. Perhaps you have not followed the news about what these people have done to other humans, property, etc. If that makes me a redneck to be concerned about this for the sake of my family and me, so be it. Then I am one proud redneck who does NOT welcome you to Hardin county. "

To Jason wrote on Aug 8, 2007 12:52 PM:

" No, we are not the ones full of hate, that is most obviously you. Just look at what you do and what you stand for. Quit trying to sound so innocent with your hate group. You are the ones who preach about violence and death, and follow up on those with your activities. We only wish to stop it from happening. That is where WE have the constitution, bill of rights ,etc on our side. Your life is headed nowhere with this life you have. "

To: FED UP IN HARDIN COUNTY wrote on Aug 8, 2007 12:45 PM:

" Right on. If the residents don't come forth and speak up to the only ones who can stop this type of gathering, it will continue. The ones who can stop it are the county board members. Don't sit back and assume they are going to feel the same way about it that we do. They have proven in the past that they aren't ready to take action. For whatever reason, they chose not to take action when things started going downhill 10 years ago. One person, the private property owner, is thumbing his nose at Hardin County officials and they are taking it. "

fed up in Hardin Co wrote on Aug 8, 2007 11:18 AM:

" The time to see positive changes in Hardin County is indeed now! We need to demand that our county officials make changes to the county regulations to prevent this type of event from ever again coming to our county. If they don't get the job done in the next 30 days then we need to line up a slate of candidates who will get it done, and elect them. Let's not take any lame excuses. I'm sure the board will try to ride this out until it blows over, but we need to put pressure on them to act now!! "

Jason wrote on Aug 8, 2007 10:46 AM:

" For all that believe we deserve a chance and that are willing to look at us as individuals you are much appretiated. I thank you and hope you prosper in life. For those who wish to fight us. Good luck. The bill of rights, constitution and the many ammendments are on our side. Go ahead and keep looking for hate in your life. Just remember Karma comes back ten fold. "

fed up wrote on Aug 8, 2007 6:58 AM:

" What then, shall we all say, let it be, we need revenue??? Nay, if you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything, and I think, some of the local leaders/merchants have chosen to sacrifice their heritage for the almighty dollar they hope this group will generate....how sad!! Hardin Co has survived without tourism for years......the only ones benefiting from this are the ones directly involved in merchandising....and at what a sad price! Our churches are praying for the salvation of Mr. York, who in my opinion should take this garbage to his home county! May all have a safe weekend, especially our local residents. "

joey wrote on Aug 7, 2007 10:47 PM:

" NEXT YEAR, SHAWNEE MINISTERIAL ALLIANCE, LET'S ALL BAND TOGETHER TO KEEP THESE DARK FORCES OUT OF HARDIN COUNTY. "

Denver Broncos wrote on Aug 7, 2007 9:39 PM:

" I was a student at U of Denver when this group was here (I am originally from Alton, that's why I am reading this.) Man, these freaks trashed the theater where they held a concert. I was just there for a concert and I honest to God have never been so afraid in my life, and I love going to wild concerts. This was too much for me. Literally, they destroyed that venue, and the only thing keeping them from tearing down the area was the Mile high City police. They were drugged up, in trances, spewing out hate and violence, and I gotta admit, I got the heck out of there. I can't believe they are still around. But, it loooks like where you are they will be out in the woods or by the river, so hopefully that will keep them in place. DOn't be fooled, people, these people are evil and crazy. You do not want them wandering around your town. "

Doris wrote on Aug 7, 2007 9:34 PM:

" It is time now that our county took action to keep the garbage of society out of Hardin. Is is just because of our unique history of having pirates and all at the Rock that we have to keep living it? I think not. I am tired of all the riff raff going on at York's property, and demand a stop as a county resident who just wants to raise kids the right way. this IPC thing is about as disgusting as you can get, and poses a huge security risk for our county. I ask the Hardin Co board to take steps in the next year to guarantee this thing never happens in this county again. "

agree with Ben wrote on Aug 7, 2007 6:17 PM:

" Yes, next year we can be more organized and keep these people out. This is NOT what we want in our county, and I was not even aware of it until this article appeared, so it was kept from us, which makes me very angry. I suggest that you all start next week to find a place for next year's campout, because you will get organized resistance here next year. "

maybelline wrote on Aug 7, 2007 6:02 PM:

" There aren't too many places around that sell makeup. And none that sell to men. Hope they brought enough for the weekend. Since the men in this group aren't real men, they probably have enough makeup anyway. "

Ben wrote on Aug 7, 2007 4:42 PM:

" Enjoy you're gathering all of you Juggy's because next year you will not be back! This will "not" be the future place for you're gatherings! There will be people to stop it I am sure of it. "

Redden wrote on Aug 7, 2007 3:37 PM:

" Yes, thanks IPC, all of our local resources are tied up with your undeserving mess. We have to bring in the law from elsewhere, all for you. Proud? "

Lon wrote on Aug 7, 2007 3:25 PM:

" Men wearing makeup? Now that is a sight to see. What does a man wearing makeup look like in the heat? I have never seen a man wearing makeup. "

Darby wrote on Aug 7, 2007 12:57 PM:

" These juggys do have a newspaper with the slogan "Mass Murder is Our Pleasure." And that should be allowed into our schools? At a time when murder and violence here and all over is at a high, you think that is funny? I guess you are oh so cool with you devil lyrics and praising murder, but it is sick and does not belong in our society today. You cannot promote "peace" and murder at the same time. We know which you do. "

True wrote on Aug 7, 2007 12:54 PM:

" You are right, Melinda does not need prayers. It is "To: Melinda" we are all worried about. She needs prayers like nobody's business. "

silly wrote on Aug 7, 2007 10:59 AM:

" There is no family gathering this weekend. It is a gathering of hooligans and psychopaths. You won't even notice the heat with your insane frenzy and worship of death. "

Terri wrote on Aug 7, 2007 10:34 AM:

" I THINK THEY ARE HERE, AT LEAST THE ONES WHO ARE WALKING IN. WALKING WITH A BED ROLL AND A DOG.' "WHAT'S UP WITH THAT"? I DON'T SEE HOW THEY ARE GOING TO BE SPENDING A WAD OF MONEY IN THIS AREA, WHEN THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE TRANSPORTATION.THEY SHOULDN'T SUBJECT THERE DOG TO THIS HEAT ! YOU WOULD THINK THEY WOULD BE MORE CONSIDERATE OF THEIR PET. "

To: JanieJane wrote on Aug 7, 2007 9:40 AM:

" You are not right!!!!!! I am sure that Melinda does not need you're prayers, You crazy chick!!! "

Jason wrote on Aug 6, 2007 11:26 PM:

" To Fabio. I live in Indianapolis. I see the same weather as you and am acustomed to the humid heats of the mid west. I will have 4 cases of water to help out too. Why be so hateful. I can only assume that you are the only one to wish sickness heat stoke or over exsurtion one some one just to prove a point. I just hope that the heat keeps you inside and away from us and our family gathering. "

Fabio wrote on Aug 6, 2007 10:58 PM:

" Well, well, the Jugs and Jugsterettes have been preaching for years about destroying the good in society, such as cops, etc. And, what do you know the heat index is going to hit 110 over the weekend with humidity that will make you cry. So, now you are dependent on these people you want to destroy. I only hope one is ready to overlook you evilness, as I am sure they will, to help you. Have fun out there roasting. "

Reno wrote on Aug 6, 2007 2:04 PM:

" Goodness will prevail in Hardin County this week. My old home county will survive and be much stronger for showing it can handle such hooligans. "

wow wrote on Aug 6, 2007 9:41 AM:

" Wow, 1cor13, such high expectations for your group. Isn't sad that, while most people who go to concerts have no worries, you have to hope and pray there are no murders, robberies, etc at yours? You can knock the pastor all you want, but he is raising legitimate concerns, and you cannot deny what you have done in the past. The only reason you (hopefully) won't go on one of your violent binges here is that you will stuck in the middle of nowhere, where you belong. "

Doc wrote on Aug 6, 2007 9:28 AM:

" I have no opinion whatsoever about the concert. My only purpose here, as a local physician, is to make sure you are all taking precautions this weekend, because unfortunately we are set to have 100 degree weather with ungodly (sorry for the religious reference) humidity. Please read up on what to do to avoid dehydration and exposure! I know it sounds elementary, but you would be surprised at how many people forget this. Let's hope you take all precautions and there are no heat related injuries out there! There is water, drink it. Lots of it. Swim in the pond. Find periodic AC in your cars, etc. TAKE CARE! Just an advisory if you have not been keeping up with the local weather. "

To Just Popping In wrote on Aug 5, 2007 7:21 PM:

" Everybody has rules. The problem with this group is they obviously do not follow those rules. So, with the evidence showing they don't, these "rules" are just a piece of paper, nothing more. "

Leery wrote on Aug 5, 2007 9:53 AM:

" Your own Jugalloo News on the internet has the heading under it, Mass Murder is Our Pleasure. You feature a wild man running around with a hatchet. Your news website has a section advising fans to pack up their weed and come down to the gathering. Your lead singer has been in jail numerous times for assault on others and spent time in an institution. Your songs praise killing and rape, among many other things. Your fans have a long, sordid history of causing violence, gang crimes, and you name it. So, tell me, please, what other conclusions can we, as local residents about to be engulfed with your presence, think of you? That is not prejudging you. That would be if we knew nothing about you. We do, and we know what you have done. Quit whining about how you are prejudged when you have earned your reputation. Are you another of the many "victims" these days? No, you did this to yourselves and you have the audacity to criticize us for being concerned. Sorry, but your own actions, of which we had nothing to do, have given us no choice. If that offends you, well, you should have thought of that when you were doing your nasty deeds. "

John wrote on Aug 3, 2007 11:51 PM:

" It's funny, these same "religious leaders" seem to have no problem with other local events. They don't raise a ruckus over the Nine Day Trailride or the Hogrock motorcycle rally. The same thing goes on at these events and other local community events. All Degrave and his group is doing is giving this event free publicity. Let them have their party. If it gets out of hand, lock the trouble makers up. "

R.J. wrote on Aug 3, 2007 6:07 PM:

" This is "To: Melinda and her 2 part series....GET HELP NOW. "

Jill wrote on Aug 3, 2007 5:47 PM:

" So, "To:Melinda" says "they do the killin for us, so no harm no foul." That blew my socks off. You are in need of serious help in your life. Every time you people try to defend yourselves, you just make things worse. I don't want my daughter anywhere near anyone who thinks or acts like you do. I have never written to these, but I was so disgusted by your post I just had to. With your outlook on yourself and on life, do you really find it surprising that not a soul in Hardin County of the surrounding area wants you here for any length of time? "

Briana wrote on Aug 3, 2007 5:43 PM:

" To TO: MELINDA. YOU ARE SICK. YOU ARE DISTURBED. YOU NEED HELP. YOUR ATTEMPT TO ANSWER WHY A FEMALE OF ANY REPUTE WOULD LISTEN TO THIS GARBAGE ONLY SCARES ME EVEN MORE. "

Justin wrote on Aug 3, 2007 1:26 PM:

" I live fairly close to Hardin County, and even I am concerned because these people will have to leave the woods at some point. This is known to be one violent group and fans. I can only hope and pray that they will choose this weekend to be respectful for once, knowing how unwelcome they are, and there will be no trouble. Who needs this worry? Why do we have to be inconvenienced for 4 whole days while they cavort and whatever else they do? To put an area into such a state of anxiety and tenseness is not right and not respectful. We realize you get to have your gig out in the dark woods, but under no circumstances can you convince us we have to accept you. If I have prejudged you, get over it. I'm not stupid. I am making a rational decision based on facts. "

To: you may be against it wrote on Aug 3, 2007 6:36 AM:

" There's nothing anti-America about standing up for your beliefs. Isn't that how this country came into being in the first place? Also this isn't just a "church" issue. Hardin county doesn't have the infrastructure, manpower, or budget to handle the kind of logistics this type of event requires. Of course if you had been following the posts on this site you would have known that, and you would have also known your argument has been made before as well. Since you haven't brought anything new to the table I suspect the intent of your post was to just take a jab at the church. The statement you so eleqently made regarding opinions applies equally well to people. There's always "one" in every crowd. "

Melinda wrote on Aug 2, 2007 8:28 PM:

" I am saddened and shocked to see that women follow this group. THis group treats women with no respect, and openly supports rape, etc. I had hoped that, although I am no raging feminist, women were now more respectful of themselves and would refuse to support such garbage. I ache for the females who have somehow gotten misguided into this hateful group. "

To You may be against it wrote on Aug 2, 2007 6:31 PM:

" You miss the point. We are not against the fact that they listen to this stuff, that is free and legal. It's not my choice either. But, what is very disturbing is the known violence this fan base causes, including some very nasty stuff. That is the legitimate concern here. And I don't think that is being unreasonable. We have a group coming here that has a notorious reputation across the country with the police and with communities, for valid reasons. And, Hardin Co is just not equipped to handle the possible violence and destruction. It is a combination of reputation and the very small area this is being held that has residents very upset. And I don't think people are being crazy about it; this is not a concern about a normal band just being loud. This band and its notorious presence goes way beyond the pale here. We do not have to accept that. And there is no rule that says we have to welcome them into our county, as we would do with a law abiding citizen. Those are the real concerns. "

To Think about it wrote on Aug 2, 2007 9:58 AM:

" 1 or 2 people? Are we reading the same stories? it looks to me like GANGS or your people, not just 1-2. You guys are in such denial, it's unbelievable. Facts are facts. "

Jason wrote on Aug 1, 2007 7:31 PM:

" To lil circus freak. Read before you post. The naked bikers they are refering to are the actual bikers that come to Hog Rock which is held on the same land that we will be using.now to way off. Ok then how about sports. Some thing a lot of people do "devote" to. Football. All kinds of violence and injuries. Basketball. Indianpolis Detroit ring a bell. How about hockey. I seem to remember a player swinging his stick at another player and almost taking his head off. Oh and who can forget the little league parents going off there rocker. Ohio State win or lose and they riot over the intire city of Columbus. Burn cars and dumpsters. Like I said we are the same. We just choice to listen to our violence. "

think about it ? wrote on Aug 1, 2007 6:33 PM:

" so what im reading is that if 1 or 2 ppl out of a 100 makes a group of ppl a bad group? that means u the church goes are bad ppl too, there has been a handfull of abortion clinic bombing done in the name of GOD by ppl that went to church everyweek.. one name that come to mind is "Eric Rudolph". when his bomb went off it killed a cop hmmm how would u like it if thats all you groupr was known for or that all ppl bring up and hold it against you ? "

way off wrote on Aug 1, 2007 10:51 AM:

" wow, the comments in defense of this group are so off base it is scary. Jason seems to think that we all are the same because some people like scary movies or books. Jason, get real. You are not serious. While a person may go to a scary movie every so often, or read a book, that is not devoting their lives to the cause, as you have done. You and your groupies are ones who follow this band no matter, and you have the proven violence and destruction and injuries and worse to show for it. There is not a riot every time there is a scary movie or book being bought, is there? You have the entire combo, the beliefs, the devotion to the band, following them, causing disturbances everywhere. That is a far cry from what you are even talking about. The lengths you guys go to try to defend yourself is really amusing. "

lil.circus.freak wrote on Aug 1, 2007 10:22 AM:

" To whoever called us "naked bikers": You finally need to say "enough" to what? I'm pretty sure we've never held the Gathering in your area. We're not naked bikers (no matter how interesting THAT would be) by the way, yeah sure some of us may have motorcycles but so do a lot of other people, yet I'd hardly consider each one of them a biker. As for teaching your kids between right and wrong, keep doing it! We're not here to mess that up. This is our time, to meet up with people who share the same interests and make new friends. If any of you people took the time to listen to the music, you'd understand that none of it is satanic. Having the Gathering in your town is NOT going to change your environment from a good one to a bad one. That's not what we're about, realize it. We're going to be in your presence for what? 3..4 days tops? It's only a weekend people! Go about your lives and before you know it, we'll be gone. Anyway, I'll see you guys next week =) "

Belchrer wrote on Jul 31, 2007 10:40 PM:

" I read these posts on what happened elsewhere, and followed them. You know what, they are correct. I see what all the fuss is about. I made fun of what I thought was a close minded society here in Hardin, but now that I see what everyone is upset about, they are right. This is sick. I cannot respect anyone who follows this band at all. I am a partier, a good time guy, whatever, but even I have respect for my fellow man's property and wish no harm on anyone. I'll raise cain with anyone, but I would never, ever do or advocate to do what this group does. I Probably have low standards, and if I cannot respect you for following this group, you really are a loser. "

Real Life wrote on Jul 31, 2007 10:37 PM:

" These people may only be coming to the "boonies" as was stated earlier, but read the articles cited by others in this posting, and it does not matter. This group has pretty much admitted it cannot be trusted in the middle of a town, but they will still be travelling Hardin County. I for one will lock my doors, keep the number of the local police handy, and teach my children that the devil works in many ways to tempt us, and this is one. Before you start calling me names, as you have done to anyone who dares to criticize you, I have a Ph.D from Penn and am only nominally a churchgoer. I find, as an academic on human behavior, that this is very disturbing and dark, and shows a deep disdain for society by this group's fans. That is not a good combination. I urge everyone who live in Hardin County ( I live in another close county) to let their officials know this is socially disturbing behavior and portrays future criminals. "

Marcus wrote on Jul 31, 2007 9:11 PM:

" My God, I cannot believe the stuff about this band and its fans. This is very disturbing stuff. They have obviously caused a ton of trouble and are considered criminal in some circles, and yet Hardin sits by and does nothing? The evidence is there, folks, these people are ruthless. "

To; Just Me wrote on Jul 31, 2007 9:09 PM:

" I support your comments fully. Hardin County finally needs to say enough. We have Hog Rock and now this, and we have to try to at the same time try to teach our kids right from wrong. Yet we welcome naked bikers and violent/satanic music groups with fans who cause trouble. Is it too much for those of us who have lived here for so long to be able to raise our kids in a good environment. Why do we get all this garbage dumped on us? We have no say in it. "

Teeze wrote on Jul 31, 2007 4:48 PM:

" see yall in 8 days! "

Joey wrote on Jul 31, 2007 2:53 PM:

" Truly disgusting stuff. I care not one lick about the religious aspect of this, but these people are out and out violent! I, too, can only hope that our local authorities are prepared for this, based upon their past history. Sickening. "

Mark wrote on Jul 31, 2007 12:42 PM:

" Wow, I did not realize this was such a dark and sinister band. These are gory things. Sickening. I know they will say that not everyone does it, but it looks like a high number of their fans are inspired by the violence. These people are coming here? I hope the county has the proper security, and guards the park areas. "

Jinn wrote on Jul 31, 2007 12:08 PM:

" too bad we have the right to assemble and freedom of speech. look up the lyrics to "Thy Unvieling"! "

TO Ruffled wrote on Jul 31, 2007 9:51 AM:

" Read your comments, and then I realized we were only hearing half the story. OBviously you are a jugggalloo. Here is what I found about 2005: According to the Quarry Park's owner, Evan Kelley, the grounds will no longer host this event after the 2005 Gathering. Kelly has said: "Psychopathic Records broke some of the rules set down for the 2005 event, including blasting music all night long", and: "Drugs, alcohol, nudity, profanity and trash also became serious problems." Hmmmm, no worried, huh??? "

Jason wrote on Jul 31, 2007 12:58 AM:

" Jill. I have plenty of respect for myself. I have been married for almost 7 years and have three beautiful daughters that love me. I teach them to respect others, too. As far as the music, I can't say that the lyrics are not disgusting because most of them are. I can say though that what's behind all the violence, blood and gore has a better message to it though. It teaches us to love and respect each other. It also teaches us that there are repercussions to the hate of racism. That there is a punishment for those who beat there wife and kids or for those that hurt children. We don't expect for most to see what we see. WE would like for others to atleast see that there is more to us than the imaginary violence behind what we listen to. Were not asking that you like the music. Just to accept that we are not horrible for it. "

ruffled wrote on Jul 30, 2007 9:35 PM:

" Good Lord! It's just a concert- not better or worse than any other. It's just wild and crazy music. Who cares? Hardin countians, some of you are just showing your ignorance and close-mindedness. Who can they bother out in the boonies? Leave them alone! If you don't like it-don't go. I can't believe a pastor would start a hate blog like this. Why didn't he just have a big ole tent revival down the road and see who could sing the loudest? Welcome these people with a smile and a handshake. Where's all the friendliness you speak of? Let It be. This was copied from central Ohio's channel 10 report-July 17,2006: There were no arrests and according to sheriff's deputies, the drug use was actually less than typical concerts. Overall, they say the event went well. "It was, from our perspective, much better than we anticipated. If they want to come back, that's up to them. But we'll be here if they do," said Capt. Chad Dennis, Licking County Sheriff's Department. A spokesman for the promoter says they've made no plans for next year yet, but they were pleased that this year's Gathering turned out to be the peaceful and safe event that they had predicted. "

Wallace wrote on Jul 30, 2007 4:44 PM:

" Just reviewing all this for the first time since this concert is coming up. Wow, I wish I would have gotten involved earlier. I read the lyrics, watched the golconda video, this band is sick, folks. What are we doing letting coming here. If this is not a cult, then I don't know what is. "

jason in pa wrote on Jul 28, 2007 3:26 PM:

" i think the people of cave in rock need to go beat COLLINSVILLE's record for the worlds biggest ketchup packet. go,now... if you build it they will come. don't worry about your poor little town, we will leave it on the map and try not to turn all your kids into satanists. jerks. "

cyanide wrote on Jul 27, 2007 5:03 PM:

" u havent seen any comments towards that show hate? are u actually serious? so your telling me that ppl have called us criminals and low lifes? they havent said that all we are liars and hate mongers? they havent had the audacity to say that we are all devil worshipers that cause nothing but destruction? open your eyes from the very beginning of this we have been attacked. "

HERRIN HIGH wrote on Jul 27, 2007 3:05 PM:

" To All My Marion Friends: IT WAS A JOKE, A JOKE, A JOKE. Have we lost ALL sense of humor here? We have had a rivalry for years. It was funnier using Marion as the butt of the joke because of that. And it just didn't seem fair to pick on Goreville. Having said that, while Calhoun did have an impressive resume, he probably caused the most damage as a Senator. But, he had a swell hairdo that would make JOhn Edwards envious. "

cyanide wrote on Jul 27, 2007 1:44 PM:

" just me i really hope that was a joke cause i couldnt stop laughing at that list. evasive? how was it evasive? i approached the whole video and even said the things vj said to the kid were wrong but funny. let it go. wow u actually got something right about the song but ummm last time i checked necromancy was the mystical art of raising and controlling the dead, not having sex with them which is called necrophilia. so i was siting here long and hard and for the life of me cant figure out what song has them raping a little girl in a graveyard can u help me out? u guys take these things way to literal, blaze claims to be a dead body risen from the dead, cant u see that this stuff is just mainly entertainment with some serious messages underneath it? u say my arguments dont prove anything but to me it seems that u only have one or two things left to resort too and its that lame lie of a video and the fact that they rap about things u dont like to hear. "

Appalled wrote on Jul 26, 2007 10:44 PM:

" Nice try cyanide but your defense is still evasive. Point blank telling young, impressionable fans to commit felonies and do drugs is NOT cool or funny. Other psychotic artists are promoting necromancy (sex with the dead) and raping little girls in graveyards. Really funny stuff - silly stuff? Evil men will wax worse and worse comes to mind. Psychotic Records or the bands under that label are not welcomed here. You do not have to be a Bible thumper to be absolutely appalled by every single look at this band of devils. "

cyanide wrote on Jul 26, 2007 6:38 PM:

" haha who have i destroyed? why because the ppl u got to do your little video are known sex and drug addicts themselves? how did i do anything wrong? is it a secret that gene simmons had relations with thousands of women? no. is it a secret that keith richards has had drug problems? no in fact i think he was the one who made it public. is it a secret that billy joel has been in trouble for drugs and drunk driving? not a chance. maybe if you would take center stage and be a bigger influence on your children u wouldnt have to worry about following comments that are meant as a joke. it seems that no matter what i do or say u will find someway to trash it but i will not give up. you talk about steroids in the big leagues well maybe if some parents didnt push their kids to become famous that stuff wouldnt happen. my brother at the age of 14 knew the difference between right and wrong and made the decision that he would never smoke. even though both my parents and myself smoke cigarettes so there goes your idea that ppl always follow those that they look up too. why are u all getting so mad at me for? do u really hate me that much? "

Derek wrote on Jul 26, 2007 3:25 PM:

" After watching that video (thanks for the suggestion), I don't want any of those people near me or my kids. This is what is coming in August? "

cyanide wrote on Jul 26, 2007 3:22 PM:

" you know this is the second time i am saying this, i have gone out of my way not to be insulting to the ppl of hardin county but for some reason ppl keep bringing up parents and that i will not stand for. say whatever u want about me till your blue in the face but do not be so disrespectful as to talk about my parents. my parents are the most active ppl in my life and i dont appreciate them being degraded and talked badly about. how dare u have the audacity to stop to such a level. u say we are the disrespectful ones yet from what i can tell it most of u that hate us that throw around names and insults. u should be so ashamed of yourselves for involving someones parents, what happen did u run out of things to say about me because everything and i do mean everything u have thrown at me i have shot down? do u think your smart by attacking my family? it just shows how low some ppl will go to insult someone they dont even know. "

Lame wrote on Jul 26, 2007 3:01 PM:

" The cyanide defense was one of the sorriest I have ever read. So, to defend your heroes, you need to go destroy others. You reveal yourself when you state you believe your band leader's recommendation was funny. Sorry, cyanide, but it is difficult enough raising kids today without some idiot up there that kids may admire telling them to go do drugs. You can only speak for yourself, not others. Look at the steroids issue in the big leagues, and you will see thousands of high school athletes doing the same trying to emulate their heroes. THe video is disgusting and really turns me against your band. You think it is funny, maybe you do not have kids. And whether you want to admit it or not, you are advocating that very same message by following these jokers. It is sick, sick stuff. These people would never be welcome in my home. "

TO WAKE UP wrote on Jul 26, 2007 2:17 PM:

" WAKE UP is exactly right. This county needs a wake up call. It has needed one for quite a few years now, but county officials looked the other way and people accepted what was forced on them, because they didn't know what could be done. What Hardin County needs is some real leadership. The County Board does very little else for the county, but it could stand up and defend the County on this one. There should be some control by the County on what goes on here, some rules and regulations. It may be too late to avoid some serious repercussions. So sad that we have no leadership. "

Eyes open wrote on Jul 26, 2007 1:47 PM:

" ok, I followed the advice and watched the golconda site video. Truly sick. What kind of human would follow this band? "

cyanide wrote on Jul 26, 2007 11:43 AM:

" lol the video oh yea. so lets start at the beginning. first off the footage they use at the very beginning is not a gathering that is in fact the woodstock festival from 99 i believe. so yea way to use footage to try and ban an event that isnt even of said event. ok lets move on to what j says to those kids. should he have said it? no. was it funny? yea kinda. than u have gene simmons oh yes the great and powerful gene, a self proclaimed womanizer. yea thats a great guy to get to back up your video. oh and than there is keith richards wow there is a guy that is sober enough to know whats goin on in the real world huh? than the last one we see is billy joel. billy joel are u serious. i am presonal a fan of some oh his music but umm his music never made we wanna go out and just take part of a sexual revolution. i know uptown girl just drives me into a sexual state that i cant resist. so is there anything else about this video i need to go over? you cannot blame music for someone doin something wrong. ppl regardless of musical taste should always know the difference between what is right and what is wrong, and from what i remember that responsibility falls onto the head of the parents. "

Just Me wrote on Jul 26, 2007 6:24 AM:

" This goes out to "Tired" - The irony of your post is not lost on us. "

you people are SOOOOO LiTERAL!!! wrote on Jul 25, 2007 6:55 PM:

" so, has ANYONE ever heard the 'expression' spinning in the grave?? now, if the kid had said some OTHER important person was spinning in their grave, and they were actually cremated, would you have come back with "NO< NO! HE was Cremated!HA!".......Of Course NOT! it is an expression for SHAME, and Jesus would be ASHAMED of the judgements...i think i get it now, these people dont understand scarcasam, or analogies, or comparisons, or examples... no wonder they cant laugh at funny stuff, they take it too seriously. mabye its not their fault thay hate for no reason, mabye if THEY listened to hoorcore rap THEY would go out and kill people...hmmm? mabye they never even had a chance... "

cyanide wrote on Jul 25, 2007 11:47 AM:

" hahaha only a couple hundred fans huh? that doesnt really explain the gold and platinum albums now does it? that doesnt explain them debuting at a num 4 spot on the billboard charts does it? if there are only a couple hundred fans why are u ppl so worried? if that is the case then why are the reports saying that 6-8 thousand ppl are goin go show up? so once again your argument has fallen short. u guys need to relax and keep yourselves in check because the way it seems is that some of u are actually the ones planning violence against us. need i mention the threats we received about walking down the street? "

what is wrong with you? wrote on Jul 24, 2007 4:14 PM:

" look weather you like us or not were coming through stop trying to make us look stupid we dont want to rob your stores and burn down your houses we wanna have fun and if you cant deal with it then dont come or dog on me for being there PS i bet you wont have some big top story on us when the place is all cleaned up when we leave "

Larry wrote on Jul 24, 2007 1:44 PM:

" The problem with PsykoScott's argument is that we would love to have it be that simple, we truly would. This is not about religion, it is about what you have done on these excursions before, which is all we have to judge you by. You say you are all so peaceful and just let you come in and you will leave us alone. Well, how are we to believe that? I am sure you have said that before in Peoria, Colorado and Michigan, and look what happened. So, as easy as your solution sounds, we have absolutely no reason to trust your word. You are haunted by your past, and that is not our fault. So, you see, we have every reason to be concerned. "

cyanide wrote on Jul 24, 2007 1:17 PM:

" to thanks- i love u too, but u dont have to thank me for anything. btw who are u?? too much time on my hands?? well if thats the case i guess the same thing can be said about most of the ppl on this forum now cant it? bitter hmmmm, no im not bitter at all if i was bitter i would be taking my bitterness out on the world. just for the record because alot of u seem to know oh so much, i do try to do things that help society. i bring ppl into my house that have nowhere else to go. i dont have much but whatever i have im willing to share. i am a firm believer in the fact that sumtimes ppl just need someone to listen so i try my best to make it known to others that there are ppl who have gone through the samethings they have and have made it through and survived. so tell me where my bitterness is. am i bitter because i refuse to let ppl that dont know me call me a criminal, even though as i have stated before i have never spent a night in jail? am i bitter because i invite ppl into my home to share what i have with them? if u have any examples please let me know. "

Rosiclare man wrote on Jul 24, 2007 10:05 AM:

" Oh, I can tell you that a vast majority in this county are very strongly against this thing. But, in a way, we can thank you. Because this will now give us the strength to fight Hog Rock as well. If we can clean out these two filthy elements of society, maybe we can focus on getting a more productive and resourceful use of the property surrounding Cave In Rock, which is one of the more unique areas of the country. "

Mel wrote on Jul 24, 2007 9:48 AM:

" Hey....Did everyone hear Gov. Rod signed the no smoking ban...Just thought we could move on to another topic here as this one is getting really old!!!!!!!! "

thanks... wrote on Jul 24, 2007 12:50 AM:

" i luv u cyanide!!! thanks! "

why not go back to OHIO? wrote on Jul 23, 2007 7:31 PM:

" cause that place was HORRIBLE, it was just miserable....if they had held it there this year, half the ninjas would have prolly not planned on going....it just wasnt a good location....but i do look farward to making this new location the spot for many memories for years to come! "

cyanide wrote on Jul 23, 2007 5:05 PM:

" we decided not to go back because of all the problems the place it self had. the flooding last year was a major issue that they tried to avoid this year. since alot of other ppl on these forums like to give grammar lessons for future reference it is spelled loser not loosers. "

Todd wrote on Jul 23, 2007 12:58 AM:

" Standing but a step from His heavenly throne, Christ gave the commission to His disciples. "All power is given unto Me in heaven and in earth," He said. "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations." "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature." Hmmmm... sounds like we as deciples of Christ are to follow these instructions and go into all the world and preach... "

Remember wrote on Jul 22, 2007 5:12 PM:

" Just remember, you out of towners, in a civilized world, we have laws. Since everything your band advocates is illegal, you may want to read up on what a law is. Regardless of what you think or believe, laws are here for a purpose, and it is not for your convenience. If you were to follow the advice of your heroes, you would be in jail most of your lives. Think about that. "

Esther wrote on Jul 22, 2007 12:51 PM:

" We are all so sorry that you are offended. Breaks my heart, truly does. You knew when you chose to accept the wicked message being sent by this band that you were likely to be offensive, but you are blaming us for your offense. Nice. "

Steve wrote on Jul 22, 2007 8:00 AM:

" As an SIU student who is no stranger to partying it up, and who has heard this band, I would say if you have not seen or heard them before, you do not want to anywhere near this event. Even I had difficulty with their fans' attitudes and the ghastly music. I am puzzled that they are claiming this music supports the theory of God, because I can say most definitely the crowd who listened to this stuff in college was not of that mindset. It's a family newspaper, so I will say no more, but just imagine a party guy like myself being shocked at what I saw. I did not know people outside of college even listened to these punks. Seems kind of silly after getting an education, but whatever. "

To Todd wrote on Jul 21, 2007 11:59 PM:

" Todd, I think even Jesus would have a hard time, if not impossible, in mixing with a crowd advocating rape, murder, copkilling, drugs, violence. Sounds like you agree your fans need to be converted. "

do research wrote on Jul 21, 2007 11:49 PM:

" Check out this article from OHIO newspaper about last year. http://www.10tv.com/?sec=search&story=10tv/content/pool/200607/1838574581.html http://www.10tv.com/?sec=search&story=10tv/content/pool/200607/1867084844.html "

Truth wrote on Jul 21, 2007 11:39 PM:

" Check out visitgolconda.com, and you will see why we are opposed to this group. The police blotter is disgusting. My favorite, though, is the person who commented "please look through the language and see the message." Well, as a normal human being, I can't get past the language, not with my kids in the room. You are sick, sick people in serious need of help. "

Betsy wrote on Jul 21, 2007 11:25 PM:

" I know you have the right to listen to whatever you want. That is always true. I just find it incredibly sad that with all the hate already in this world, you have to choose to follow this band of thugs. I truly wish you were not coming here, because I live in Hardin and I know from the talk that you are not wanted. It has nothing to do with us being "perfect" or our town being perfect. It has to do with what we like, respect for others, friendliness, and a love of God. All that combined is very much against your group. You say 4 days is nothing, get over it. Well, you people are mainly from urban areas, and you are not familiar with a county so small. Four days is actually huge in our world. Our faith is strong, and I do not worry that you will convert my teen daughter, she is too intelligent for that. Well, I have said what I feel ,and I never write these things. But, please think about what you are doing to your lives, that is all I ask. "

Todd wrote on Jul 21, 2007 11:22 PM:

" If the "church" people are so worried, why don't they do what Jesus commanded and take the word to the people. "The Church" needs to get out of the four wall mentality.. Jesus went out to where the people were and walked among the "sinners" and the unwanted. There are a lot of churchs today who are afraid of getting their hands "dirty". No, you don't have to club these people on the head, just be present and be receptive to these folks. Who knows, you might just change someones life and "win a soul" instead of sitting in judgment of people you don't even know. "

offended wrote on Jul 21, 2007 10:52 PM:

" well ya see.. we arent satanic people we really arent its a lifestyle...if u listen to the song called thy unveiling u can see that violent J says "truth is we follow god and everything behind him" we are just having a good time we dont harrass you guys about ur beliefs dont harras us...thank you... we wont bother anyone we will stay on those grounds we have everything we need right there "

Be free wrote on Jul 21, 2007 8:15 PM:

" My family and I will pray for the souls who attend this demon event in Hardin County. We will not judge you, because that is not our job, I agree. We will instead pray that you become enlightened in the future about the forces possessing the act you follow. "

Defined wrote on Jul 21, 2007 8:07 PM:

" So,What is a Jugallo is just a song with no meaning. So, it does not define who you are. OK, well, how are we supposed to know that. I follow Bruce Springsteen, and I would certainly not do it anymore if he wrote a degrading, disgusting song about what he thought his fans were, like your heroes did. It is amazing that any self respecting human being would allow this, even if not true. And, if you say it is not true, that is even worse, because it shows the contempt this band has for you. You think the song is funny, which means you think such illegal and sickening acts are funny. So either way you cut it, the song, whether it is a joke or the truth, is disgusting and very enlightening about what you want to bring into our area. "

Kingdom wrote on Jul 21, 2007 7:46 PM:

" I just find it so hard to believe that there are still groups like this out there. And that people follow them. If your hatred is so strong, as it is judging by these songs, are there not other outlets for you to vent? These sorts of groups, despite what you will try to spin it as, do in fact encourage the vicious behavior we have seen exhibited by you who follow them. Think about it; what other groups do you hear about whose fans constantly riot and commit other violence? Very very few. Not even the old glamrock bands had such problems. It is not a coincidence. And it is sad. "

Leslie wrote on Jul 21, 2007 5:03 PM:

" It truly breaks my heart when I see there are fans of this group, and I only hope these people can straighten their lives out. I do not blame them, I just pray they can eventually see through the evil inspired music they are listening to. The band has blinded you to their message. I am sure that deep down you are all good people because I believe we all are. Happiness will come to you if you let it. Violence, drugs, degrading treatment of other humans, and other extreme acts are not normal, and you must realize that. As a woman, I am horrified in this modern day and age, when we are at least showing some progress, that women would also follow this band. You must respect your fellow human, not wish such horribleness on them. I wish you all luck and will be praying for you. "

To herrin high wrote on Jul 21, 2007 1:14 PM:

" Gosh, Herrin High, did you also know that John C Calhoun was a Vice President, a Secretary of State and a Secretary of War (for you other folks in Herrin, the secretary of war is now the secretary of defense)? See, there are other people in the world with an education, probably alot more than you think. But, thanks for the help, and I hope you can gain a deeper knowledge of history. A Marion resident. "

Jonesboro wrote on Jul 21, 2007 10:06 AM:

" So our tax dollars have to go to provide extra protection for a bunch of thugs who advocate the destruction of those very people who will be protecting them. I don't get it. They are coming in here, tying up a small area for days, and we have to pay for their sins. That is asking alot. I question why we have to pay and use state resources that could be used elsewhere, particularly since this is a hate group. I suppose that is why they need the protection. "

get it over wrote on Jul 21, 2007 9:55 AM:

" The quicker this is over, the better. Then we can finally get on with our normal lives. You will have come to our area, caused your damage, left your drug stuff and all the other trash for us to clean up, but we will of course survive your onslaught. You will think nothing of the trouble you caused, but we will remember. I am sure that we will be yet another area that bans you forever so start looking for next year's site. "

Random Ninja wrote on Jul 21, 2007 9:06 AM:

" You know your never going to convince these people anything guys I understand you want to let them understand we are good people but there just not gonna listen to a word so just leave it be. We will just have to wait until the Gathering and show them that were not some Satan worshiping, animal sacrificing crazy lunatics. "

Louis wrote on Jul 20, 2007 10:26 PM:

" We have every reason to judge, not you, but your sickness. I am sure, at least I hope, that you are all fine people, but your choice of lifestyle and "music" along with its associated psychopathic violence, senseless degradation, and crude, vile lyrics assaulting mankind, give us all not choice but to question who you really are. If you feel you are just expressing yourselves, well, your message is coming in loud and clear. I have no idea if you are into the devil, but the mere fact that it is in question should cause you concern. I hope that each of you finds someone in your life to give you the love and attention you so desperately need. "

No monopoly wrote on Jul 20, 2007 9:49 PM:

" Does Cyanide have some monopoly on a hard life that allows him to be so much the judge of us down here? Cyanide, you are (unwelcomingly) coming into a pretty hardscrabble area, not exactly the Hamptons. Plenty, and I mean plenty, of people here struggle and have stories to match yours. Yet, we carry on and do what we can. What does it say about your group that despite a need for money around here, there are actually businesses closing in protest of you being her, and no one wants your money? You could come in and I could make enough to pay the morgage on my farm for a month, and I would refuse such blood money. "

To herrin high wrote on Jul 20, 2007 9:11 PM:

" Herrin High, nothing you have said has made sense. And, as a resident of Marion, I will debate you on the Civil War any day, any time. FOr you folks in Herrin, the Civil War was fought from 1861-1865, and the North won. Is it just possible you are a little envious of Marion? "

disgust wrote on Jul 20, 2007 8:41 PM:

" This stuff is over the top and should be banned in the interest of humanity. No person of any reasonable intelligence should follow this junk. There is no way I could ever welcome you in my neighborhood after listening to this. You folks are being taken for a ride by a group that despises you, reading What is a juggalloo. "

Unbelievable wrote on Jul 20, 2007 8:09 PM:

" I never heard of this washed up band, and did not even know there was to be a concert down here ( I live in Johnson County). So, my friends told me about it and were laughing about why such a drug culture band would want to come to our area. I looked up all this stuff, and thought, are you guys for real? Do you really follow this junk? In this day and age? Are you that unhappy? You have to paint yourselves in makeup to avoid being seen by anyone? Obviously you are ashamed to be associated with this group. Come on. folks, seriously, you are not wanted down here, so there is still time to get your carnival somehwere else, like the zoo. "

Gregory & Linda wrote on Jul 20, 2007 7:56 PM:

" Your band leader, whatever he is called, openly and defiantly encourages his young fans (scary) to break the law by buying drugs and committing criminal acts. Oh, I know, you say it's all a joke and shouldn' be taken seriously. As any human should know, we are all free here, but our words and actions define who we are and what we stand for. After watching videos and carefully listening to this sick stuff, I KNOW who you are, whether you do or not. And I want no part of you. You will be here for your concert, and hopefully there will be no violence that you are known for, and you will not destroy a unique bit of our area. But, I doubt it, and I base that on your documented behavior, not a prejudgement. I can't possibly know each and every one of you, but I can know what you are here for and the message you are here to support, whether you consider it entertainment or not. It is truly sickening to us to listen to you outsiders, who have no connection with our area at all and could not care less, try to justify the existence of this evil band. You simply cannot and you have tried some very unique spin. We are not at all religious, but we pray for your souls. "

JW wrote on Jul 20, 2007 7:05 PM:

" Not to mention all the Meth Issiues Illinois has. To the person who said we dont want them pushing drugs on our kids. Are your kids going to be at this gathering? NO. "

High schooler? wrote on Jul 20, 2007 5:08 PM:

" So your telling me that the "ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY", isnt that at all? All t.v. shows must be real then. All movies are real. How about you take a look at yourself in the mirror for about 3-5 mins. then wait for a commercial. "

Don't Trow Stones wrote on Jul 20, 2007 3:18 PM:

" Well....Are'nt you bright?! Glad to know you read the paper.yalls??! What a jerk! "

Boo wrote on Jul 20, 2007 11:09 AM:

" kids are goin tot do what they please in life weather they decide to listent o adults or not but i mena u r suppose ot be setting an example for kids telling us not to be mean or hateefull but u r sitting here calling our music the music of satan and calling your own kids followers u must excetp us weather u want to or NOT "

Common Sense wrote on Jul 20, 2007 8:15 AM:

" You wonder why these people are violent. Look at how you've treated them, name calling, following satan. Most of these kids have grown up living hard lives already and you have to hate on them cause they don't conform to your ways. I'd be an angry individual to, if I was treated the way these kids have been. They've been protested everywhere, look at how society has treated them. Wouldn't you feel upset if you weren't wanted. Not saying their not wanted period, but it appears that no one cares about these kids. You just don't want them around you. I'd be violent towards people that acted like that to me. "

cyanide wrote on Jul 20, 2007 2:44 AM:

" ok and yet im really sure you had it oh so hard right? youre the one who group in a predominantly black neighborhood right? youre the one who was robbed at gun point more than once right? youre the one whose friends have been taking away because two gangs decided to fight it out on the streets right? come on tell me just how bad u had it champ. welwell how did i attack her? all i did was state facts that my parents took an active roll in my life and i am yet to kill or harm anyone, be arrested, or have children that i cant take care of. if someone is so heavily influenced by music maybe just maybe the parents should have been on the watch for that. there is no reason any parent shouldnt be involved with their childs life especially this day and age when there are so many warning signs and ways to get help. blaming music is a cope out on bad parenting. how is it any ones fault that someone cant tell the difference between fantasy and reality? what u are all missing is yes the are violent and scary but those are the only ones u guys concentrate on. its the songs that have deeper meanings that u all avoid. the song lets go all the way is such a beautiful song and video but yet noone brings that up. "

Wilcox wrote on Jul 19, 2007 8:13 PM:

" Let me see if I got this straight. You follow this band because it has meaning and words are inspirational. Then, when called out on it, you say "it's only lyrics" and "entertainment." Which is it? You cannot have it both ways. When it is pointed out that your fans are known through frequent news accounts to be very violent, you call us hillbillies. When people put up stories about how they have personally been attacked because of being gay or minority, you do not respond. Seems like a classic case of trying to change the topic and get it away from the subject of this band. The more you talk, the more you destroy all of your arguments. I truly hope you behave here, and clean up an area of our region we all hold so dear for its beauty and unique history. I fear, based upon the cold, hard, and for you, inconvenient, facts that you will not. What you should all really do is just quit writing, because you are going to have your concert. You are beginning to lose what little support you had with your shots about our region, so why not just quit while you are ahead? "

to NY juggallo wrote on Jul 19, 2007 12:37 PM:

" Whatever, the bikers do not cause damage. Your group, on the other hand, is the dread of everywhere it goes. Just read the news reports of all the damages. The simple fact is that your will not be welcome here and we do not have to get used to it. And, I am confused, because most of the emails say you guys like this band because it is cheap and you don't have money. so where are you going to be spending this money? The past behaviour of your groups shows that, contrary to your statement, drugs, and other filthy excesses, ARE prevalent at your gatherings. And, Herrin High, I am writing this separately as my first email. NO conspiracy here. "

cyanide wrote on Jul 19, 2007 12:03 AM:

" or maybe it was the kids who had emotional problems but the parents ignored them that needed help. stop trying to pass bad parenting onto music. grow up and take responsibility for your own kids. stop pointing fingers and be a better parent. "

Benton Beauty wrote on Jul 18, 2007 10:02 PM:

" Just the very name of this bad sickens me. My daughter graduated from Benton High School this year. During this past school year, there was a group in the school that named themselves after this group. This very group of students had a "hit list" circulating through the high school with several students names on it, along with teachers. As a parent, when you see a school shooting on the news, your heart aches for those parents who lost their children. It is something that you hope and pray that you will never have to go through. When I became aware of this "hit list", I kept my daughter home that day. But what about the next day, and the day after that and so on. It was after this single event, that life @ BCHS changed forever. From that point on, metal detectors were installed, and several other security measures were put into place. Our small school had changed forever. So, my point is, that it was this band with their songs, and images that changed BCHS. Nothing good can come from a concert with them participating in it. "

I Pray for THE END wrote on Jul 18, 2007 4:05 PM:

" Oh, when will this concert have come and gone? Maybe then, much blather from so many, will come to an end. "

to glowing wrote on Jul 18, 2007 4:04 PM:

" Check out my dialog with "Ideas" further down in these posts. In one of them I said plainly that a suit in nuisance would probably not suceed becasue of the past practice and previous use of the property. (The motorcyle party or whatever it was.) If you have some law to cite that in Illinois a "prospective nuisance" action (one based on speculation before the fact) states a claim for which relief can be granted, I'd love to hear it. My understanding is that if the owner of the property complies with whatever ordinances the county has in place, if any, (sanitation, security, insurance, etc.) then it cannot be alleged that he is maintaining a nusisance before the event takes place. Thanks for your comments about my passion. I could not care less about this concert. It's sickening the way people (mostly on the right wing) trample all over the constitution to feather their own nests. We have too much misinterpretation of Jesus and not enough understanding of Jefferson and Madison and Hamilton in this sad country. That's how we come to be shackled with Mr. Decider and Richard (Use of his familiar nickname is prohibited here) Cheney's Shadow Government. "

U.S. wrote on Jul 18, 2007 4:02 PM:

" Herrin High, listen, please before you go and make bold statements about our constitution, please study it and the resulting caselaw. Your event is on private property, but, and this is what you fail to realize, it is going to involve the state, through police protection, fire dept personnel, and the use of roads and public safety. For those reasons, this is NOT an entirely private affair. Therefore, a state MAY show that by using state resources, it has the right to govern what goes on. If the owners decide no police, well, then it can be considered a safety hazard and a nuisance, and be deemed not safe to proceed. You are right that the state cannot say it will not go on because of satanic worship; that is not regulated. But, everything else just mentioned is. Also, the event can be too big of a burden on the county or community, and be deemed a nuisance. The Constitution does NOT protect everything. It is concerned with ALL people, which includes the people of the community. A good argument would be made by both sides on this issue, but do NOT assume you are constituttionally protected automatically. YOu are looking at it from the wrong angle. "

no wrote on Jul 18, 2007 12:28 PM:

" No, John, your logic is what is off base here. You glorify in songs about copkilling, then you advocate it. The songs are very explicit and clear in their meaning, and gruesome in their descriptions. To say you do not support it is perverse. There simply is no excuse for lyrics glofifying such a thing. "

Hmmmm? wrote on Jul 18, 2007 12:04 PM:

" It's ironic that Herrin High should be accusing others of making up names to support their position. Anyone who posts on this site knows that there is a significant time lag between the time the comment is submitted and the time it actually appears. This allows the paper to review the comment for content. If you notice the time Herrin High submitted his last comment and the time the next comment is submitted that supports him it is only 4 minutes later. How can someone submit a comment supporting Herrin High 4 minutes after he submitted his when his comment would have taken longer than that to even appear on this site? I think Herrin High just lost his credibility. Oh well, I'm sure he'll just switch names and keep going. "

glowing wrote on Jul 18, 2007 11:41 AM:

" I would sort of admire the passion of Herrin High, but I find it disturbing that this person does not accept the fact that there are many people out there who disagree with him/her. Your arguments are strong, but then you resort to making claims that just because someone does not agree with you, they must be using different names over and over again. For your information, and I take no position on this silly concert, the LAW of the land is that private property can be used as the owner sees fit, however, that does not mean he has unbridled freedom. A landowner cannot create a nuisance in the community or surrounding area. That has nothing to do with your right to assemble. Of course, that is guaranteed, but, that is geared towards the govt not being able to suppress political meetings. There are laws on the books about what can and cannot be done on private property, and I suggest you read those. You are overstretching your interpretation of our constituion. "

John wrote on Jul 18, 2007 11:24 AM:

" I'm read these guys are working WITH the police on producing this event, including being in contact with the Hardin County Sheriff. If you like to listen to Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young's song "Love the One You're With"... does this categorically mean you cheat on your wife? Doubt it. So if a song expresses rage against police, does this mean you kill cops? Don't think so. Why aren't y'all protesting the "Friday the 13th" movie or "Halloween" at your local theaters? So these guys put it on a CD and you go crazy? The logic is perverse. "

Berra Bros. Tavern wrote on Jul 18, 2007 2:58 AM:

" Herrin High, you rock! "

HERRIN HIGH wrote on Jul 18, 2007 2:54 AM:

" A question to any of you who are real AND the five or six parishioners of DeGrave who are frantically making up new names in order to post their "support" here: Have you ever read the Constitution? If so, what do you find in that document that gives the right to anyone to stop this event? I'm on pins and needles to hear your answer. I'll post the question on the three other threads. You can all call around and plot your strategy, but I look forward to your answer. Discuss. "

juggalo420247 wrote on Jul 17, 2007 11:43 PM:

" if you guys are so tired of this, quit commenting and checking it everyday, and of course its the most commented issue ..... best thing to ever happen to your town,all the free publicity, We are coming we will hafve fun and we will leave, get over it "

Sero wrote on Jul 17, 2007 10:28 PM:

" Has no one done research on this? Why is it that the gathering has gone on for years and nothing bad has happened? Last year the police patrolling the laughed when we asked them if they we worried. "Oh no," they said, "you police yourselves, we just make sure that the drinking is controlled." So now, we come to a new place, and people fear us? It's sad... it's music, it's fun, it's family, it's respect, yet these people have nothing but hate for us. Hope to see all the protesters there. "

whoa wrote on Jul 17, 2007 9:53 PM:

" There are many many many acts of violence well documented both on the internet and newspapers. I, too, believe this is a safety concern and not a religious concern. People, open your eyes, and see what these groupies have done. It is truly frightening. "

kentucky wrote on Jul 17, 2007 8:15 PM:

" Is this debate still going on ? Over in rural Kentucky, I think we have some satan cults already. YOu guys could come over here and not have to worry. You could do your worship back in the Dark carnival, er, i mean woods. "

shipwreck wrote on Jul 17, 2007 4:18 PM:

" Where have all the flowers gone? Long time passing. Where have all the flowers gone? Long time ago. Ooooo oooooo oooooo aaaaaa! "

thanks wrote on Jul 17, 2007 3:34 PM:

" See, we are concerned about the DOCUMENTED violence your group causes. It is NOT just "one or two bad apples", from what I read across the U.S., it is a very large number of you. And you can keep calling us ignorant hillbillies all you want. I, for one, would rather be just that than a worthless groupie of a no-name band that preaches nonstop killing, sex, violence, and uses such beautiful language to do it. You people seriously need to wake up, get a life, and move one. You are getting tiresome. "

Mindy wrote on Jul 17, 2007 1:48 PM:

" Enough already!!!! I for one cannot wait till this group and it's groupies all go home!!!! "

Robin wrote on Jul 17, 2007 1:45 PM:

" The more I read these comments, the more I think you people are extremely close-minded! Would you open your eyes and ears! You can tell the way you respond to things that you purposely ignoring certain parts. This event is seriously not going to effect you at all... except bring your town more money... so why are you so afraid?!?! Let us be!!!! "

to dumb people wrote on Jul 17, 2007 1:26 PM:

" so if im a fan of say, a sports team, and a person on taht team, gets arrested, that automaticly makes everyone who supports that team, and terrible violent person? there are morons in every group of people, you dont have to exploit the bad apples of a group to make a worthless point. "

to bridget wrote on Jul 17, 2007 11:58 AM:

" Bridget, get serious. People from all over the world wait for this gathering? You have 8,000 people coming. That is not even the size of a small town. Don't overestimate what this thing is, it's a concert that almost no one goes to by a band that is consistently voted the worst ever. That's all. "

you are kidding wrote on Jul 17, 2007 11:53 AM:

" There is a mother taking her young kids to this stuff? Are you for real? I don't own a Bible, but, to take young kids into this violent crowd is insane and borderline illegal. Please be careful, mother. "

stop wrote on Jul 17, 2007 11:51 AM:

" I am Christian and proud of it. You can have your concert, I don't care. have fun, whatever. You are entitled to do what you want. But, please stop with the junk you are sending about your Christianity. Yes, God accepts everyone, that is true, regardless of anything. However, it is NOT a pardon for every sin just for saying you are Christian. You want to repeatedly advocate killing God's creatures, as we all are, and spread that message? I seriously doubt that will be tolerated for long. You want to commit unspeakable acts of violence, as we know your group does by the news reports from all over, I doubt HE tolerates that for long, either. Going to church once a week, and then advocating killing, for whatever reason, whether you think it is deserving, is WRONG. It is not an endless right to be forgiven. It is your choice and your choice only. I hope you wisen up for your own sake, but that is your business. Just quit insulting mine. "

reply wrote on Jul 17, 2007 11:38 AM:

" To Bridget: You are so wrong. I also have looked into this group, and found all kinds of documented instances of extreme violence by this band's fans. It is NOT made up, and people do not be fooled by their propaganda. They have caused all kinds of destruction, and, worse, injuries. I am not at all concerned about the religious part, I am worries about what I read in the reports from other cities. That is what we should all be concerned about. "

nuisance wrote on Jul 16, 2007 5:09 PM:

" Constitution experts, there are also nuisance laws that are constitutional and a community is allowed to set. Based upon your past behavior and noted violence, this would fit the nuisance test easily, and you CAN be kept out on that basis. "

newspapers wrote on Jul 16, 2007 5:05 PM:

" I won't post the specifics, because they are too long and sickening to go into, but if any Hardin County residents are NOT concerned about this gathering, I urge you to do some online research through the newspapers of Peoria, IL, Seattle and Rocky Mtn News. What you will find will horrify you about this group and its fans. You will not want them anywhere near your home and you will see how falsely they advertise themselves. "

curious wrote on Jul 16, 2007 5:02 PM:

" Isn't it a little sad that in order for you to have your gathering, you must present a petition? What does that say about your reputation? It could be that everyone knows about the damage you caused in Peoria, the attacks in Seattle and Colorado, and the refusal to grant a permit in Michigan. "

teeze wrote on Jul 16, 2007 2:06 PM:

" here is a petition to keep the gathering...you all have yours, we have ours...i doubt this will even get posted, it seems that my best points of argument dont get posted....hmmm? http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?fwjc613 "

Boo wrote on Jul 16, 2007 12:09 PM:

" Ight this is how its gonna go .They can't stop the gathering one it's too close to the gathering for anone but phycopathic records to do anything , Phycopathic Records is making to much money to even want to stop it . they are doing it for us . I mean they will get over the fact that we are comming once we get there they can stop complaining cause once we get there and they r still complaining it's a wast of time ..they will get over it if not " OH WELL" "

simple mind wrote on Jul 16, 2007 9:47 AM:

" Reply to pouty amuses me. Simple minded? Let's talk simple minded. You proclaim to support everyone and just ooze love to fellow humans. I am not at all religious, and i do not care if you are into satan or not. What I do care about is that I have seen firsthand your hatred for minorities of any type. I know, because I, until last year, followed this band. No more. As I saw minorities ripped to shreds verbally by your fans, I realized I was wrong. This band is a simple minded band with no tolerance towards anything that they don't approve of. That is a far bigger sin to me than anything else. So, pardon my laughing, but all this talk about how wonderful you people are is just sick. "

reply to pouty wrote on Jul 16, 2007 9:29 AM:

" our concert hasnt even sold 8,000 tickets.. Everything you hear on the media is extremely exagerated. Im willing to bet they have sold 5,000 tickets. it isnt that big of a festival. Why do we pay $150 bucks a ticket? Either way you look at it 4 concerts seperately would be around 150 dollars. Not to mention camping at a campground for 4 days would be what 30 dollars a night? There are over 100 artists that preform and Question and answer sessions/autograph sessions with the main artists. There will be carnival/Helicopter rides as well as free water. The price is well worth it. Maybe not to you, but to me it is. Hey, its what i like to do. No one is asking you to come join us. As for the people saying there businesses are closing down and people are actually leaving the town to avoid us.. GOOD run and hide that will create less problems in the long run. Simple minded people ammuse me. "

notable wrote on Jul 15, 2007 12:40 PM:

" I think they should be allowed to party all they want on York's property. They are out of our way, no businesses are going to be open, and the area is very secluded. Let him clean up the drug mess, let him wash away all the satan symbols left behind on his property, let him deal with the all the open sex, and let him watch his beloved property be destroyed. If they keep it on his land and away from us, that is a good thing. Out in the backwoods there, there is no one to hear the word of the devil they spread. So, why not? "

ledder wrote on Jul 14, 2007 7:21 PM:

" I don't know Degrave, but I fully support his idea. I checked out the park where this group is NEVER allowed back, and found out is because of excessive drugs, excessive alcohol abuse, open sex, public nudity, fighting galore, and overall trashing of the place without at all bothering to clean up. Sick. I am all for having a good time, raising a little cain, but not in the classless, devilsh ways this group is doing. Stay out. "

Phillip wrote on Jul 14, 2007 7:01 PM:

" I have called to my old high school pal who is a member of the Peoria PD. He told me they would fight tooth and nails to keep this band and its fans from ever coming back there. He was shocked they were planning on coming down here. I'm in a neighboring county, so it won't affect me, but there you have it. "

Jonathan wrote on Jul 14, 2007 5:48 PM:

" To God's Girl Apparently then his sources are a bit off. I gave an interview with the WSIL news and they actually looked into the incident. Their report on the evening news told that there was NO damage in Peoria. I believe the evidence there speaks for itself. Black and white...cut and dry...no gimmicks no illusions. Just honest news reporting and very good reporting at that. Not like any of those people in the Alliance with Degrave would know anything about not being biased. Fact of the matter...we still live in the U.S.A. and still have our rights. You don't have to like our choices, but you have to respect our rights, i don't care who you are. "

cyanide wrote on Jul 13, 2007 10:22 PM:

" hey resident just so u know i am actually a some what successful person by running my own security business. so yea try again to insult and fail. its ok i understand your angry and im sorry. dont worry though everything will be fine. oh and just for the record the reason we arent goin to a bigger venue is because not everyone can afford to pay for a hotel for four nights. thats ok ill be a "freak" as it were, but other than the fact that i listen to psychopathic records u know nothing about me. now im sure your going to say ohhh of course we dont know anything else about u cause u dont use your real name, but i hate to break it to u its against the rules. if anyone would like to meet me and talk to me face to face so we can talk about your anger issues just let me know im sure we could arrange like an awesome pancake breakfast or sumthing. "

T. G. wrote on Jul 13, 2007 9:26 PM:

" I have come to the conclusion, that most of the followers don't have very much education. I am refering to the grammer, spelling, punctuation in their paragraphs.This is probably the reason they so readily follow this group. "

fannie wrote on Jul 13, 2007 6:50 PM:

" freaks, go away. "

LET IT BE wrote on Jul 13, 2007 6:12 PM:

" I think that they should just let them have it they listen to different music they speak different. If you were real christians who should u b judging did anybody judge u when one person gets baptized 31 times in 2 months or u have church till midnight and the kids have school the next day nobody ever tried to stop all of that and u thought that was the best thing "125 people in church last night" well dont judge maybe next time somebody will protest and try to stop ur vacation bible school or how late u can have church. "

wtf wrote on Jul 13, 2007 5:27 PM:

" Seems to me there's not much difference between the so called christian right and the taliban. It sounds like the message is its our way or no way. Same song, different drummer. All I hear is that cristians are under attack. When was the last time anyone read where a group was trying to stop a religious event from happening? When? You do however, see them trying to stop what they don't believe in all the time. Jesus is crying. His sheep have lost their way. "

notright wrote on Jul 13, 2007 5:15 PM:

" I am willing to bet that very very few of the communities you people come from would allow this trash to play in your city. Why do you have to foist it off on us? I am not even remotely interested in the religious aspect of this, and you are being just as hypocritical as the bible people, but I am very angry that you have chosen to nuisance a small rural area that wants no part of this. DuQuoin has a grandstand, and SIU has an arena, why couldn't you go there where you can be controlled? Oh, I am guessing it is because that is public land, and you would not be allowed near public land. If you love this group so much (and who had ever heard of them?) then have your groupie gatherings somewhere where your fans are concentrated. It is not right to force your junk on a people that does not want it. "

putout wrote on Jul 13, 2007 5:08 PM:

" It is apparent that this group is not welcome anywhere but in the most rural areas, where you think you can have your way. Why can you not have this in an urban area, where there are bigger venues and maybe less attention? This angers me that you feel you can come trooping in here, with your filth, drugs, devil music, and who knows what else, and have the arrogance to tell us there is nothing we can do about it. Your band has been named the worst ever, which says alot about you who follow them. I realize you need more rural land to conduct your satanic rituals, but you need to be more careful about where you plan your next one. you have obviously been run off wherever else you have been, and now you have to try to find a very obscure location for it so you will not attract attention. Maybe the local law can help pick up what I am sure are many outstanding arrest warrants when you folks come to town. "

MissChris wrote on Jul 13, 2007 1:17 PM:

" TO CONCERNED NANA: The property owner is Tim York. He also owns "HogDaddys" bar in Shawneetown. "

cyanide wrote on Jul 13, 2007 11:45 AM:

" wack wrote on Jul 12, 2007 11:29 PM: " Sounds like John has some denial issues. Face it, child, your band is known for its ties to satan, and you are severely in denial. For someone who claim not to be judgmental, calling someone a liar is pretty strong words. You are out of your league in Hardin, Boston boy. " hey way to go on another thinly veiled threat. way to be a tough guy. On a much, much better note i would like to thank everyone that may not like our music but gives us their support. thank u for the chance to be us. i promise all the good ppl of the area that we will do our best to make sure nothing bad happens to your community. "

everyone!!! wrote on Jul 13, 2007 11:16 AM:

" ok, first off, if you don't like this then dont go.. but , don't ruin everyone elses fun!! it's dumb! Let them come, it's not your place to ruin there religon1 what if sum1 came in and said that you couldn't worship god? you wouldn't like that either..just GIVE IT UP!!! they'll come if they want to!! kthanxs! "

danb wrote on Jul 13, 2007 11:09 AM:

" Sorry LOTUS, those are not FACTS! It's your belief. Belief is way different than facts. "

scary wrote on Jul 13, 2007 10:49 AM:

" First, I fully support Pastor Degrave. SEcond, even though this is to take place on private property, has the county board approved liquor permits and permits to hold such a gathering? Under the law, it is illegal even on private property for minors to consume alcohol. And, there are still noise ordinances in the county which must be followed, has the county board, who appear to be doing nothing, checked that? And there are health and sanitation laws as well, and it looks like that is going to be one sick mess out there. THe point is, even with private property, you must follow laws. Drugs are not legal on any property, and police have the right to enter private property when drugs are present. You think you are coming here because there is no one to stop you, but you are so wrong. Even though you follow the laws of the dark forces, we enlightened humans still have laws even you must follow. "

keep wrote on Jul 12, 2007 11:51 PM:

" Keep the devil worshippers out, Pastor Degrave. "

away wrote on Jul 12, 2007 11:41 PM:

" Be gone you sickos. Go Pastor Degrave, the area sticks behind you in your efforts. "

wack wrote on Jul 12, 2007 11:29 PM:

" Sounds like John has some denial issues. Face it, child, your band is known for its ties to satan, and you are severely in denial. For someone who claim not to be judgmental, calling someone a liar is pretty strong words. You are out of your league in Hardin, Boston boy. "

sarah wrote on Jul 12, 2007 10:22 PM:

" geez we are just trying to have a fun weekend and it happen to be that its in ur town as is the biker rallies every year..so wuts the big deal? CALM down "

openeyes wrote on Jul 12, 2007 9:42 PM:

" Look at the words to these songs. It is a classic satanic cult and nothing else. There is no evidence to the contrary. No parent should let their children be polluted by this devil music. "

stop wrote on Jul 12, 2007 9:40 PM:

" There are no arguments to be made here. The group is sick, its fans are sicker, and there is no defense to the kind of things advocated in this music. And, from my read, that includes the glories of hell. Keep up the good work, Pastor Degrave. "

nofear wrote on Jul 12, 2007 8:08 PM:

" I am 28, live on some land not far from where this debauchery is supposed to take place. Just as you have a right to be on private property, I have the right to keep you off mine. It is shameful and disrespectful that you force yourselves on us, but as a nearby resident, you can count on us watching closely for anyone on our property. If my little guy of 4 has to hear your "music" of hate coming on our land, we will call authorities. You simply are not welcome here. "

Herrin wrote on Jul 12, 2007 7:58 PM:

" Pastor Degrave, we support you all the way and thank you for your efforts. "

galatia wrote on Jul 12, 2007 7:56 PM:

" Our family of 5 proudly supports Pastor Degrave. I do not want my 2 children anywhere near this trash. "

Lyle wrote on Jul 12, 2007 5:14 PM:

" Aside from the very courageous Pastor Degrave taking on the barbarians, where are the rest of the leaders of Hardin County? Are we to stand by while a bunch of hooligans destroy our beautiful Cave in Rock? You are sworn to protect the county, and I do not see that is done here. Only Degrave is around to do your job, and look at the tasteless, classless heat he is taking from these teenagers. "

arrogant wrote on Jul 12, 2007 3:50 PM:

" It is incredibly arrogant and typical of this group to force yourself on those who choose not to follow your bizarre beliefs. This is not a simple question of agreeing with someone. You are spouting violence, hatred, and arguably, satanic worship. To force yourselves on a small rural area as you have done shows that you have not one ounce of respect for the people who live here. Communit standards do not have to be written, people, they simply exist by custom. I respectfully ask that you take your show somewhere where you are welcome. That is NOT in Hardin Co. "

Concerd juggalo Brother wrote on Jul 12, 2007 2:46 PM:

" Uh, How many years have you protested this, stood out side and tryed to Phase those whom are to you hold a "satanic and or clut meeting" its Music, not a Satanic Ritual of Sacrifice and murder. We dont come to your town grab people for rituals cause there is non. If we were so hell bent maby we would have stormed the town killing all whom stand against hells army but we arnt hells army, we are just a grp of people whom live as we do. You live as you do so let us live as we do, we dont go to your church saying O they worship the holy one and must be punished. The worlds built on opinion maby give some consideration, We are just doing what we do for now nothing will change with the protest just a time waister on ya "

understand wrote on Jul 12, 2007 11:46 AM:

" you've got to understand, most christians who do not understand something are quick to label it satanic,or evil. "evidence, you have your facts are about as straight as richard simmons is. "

Core wrote on Jul 12, 2007 11:38 AM:

" Your words and actions betray you. This group is very much influenced by the dark side and demonic forces, no question. If you are in denial, get over it. "

Bordo wrote on Jul 12, 2007 11:25 AM:

" Everyone I know into this group is very much into some sort of alternative religion. I don't have beliefs either way, and don't care about your concert, but 2 of my buddies into this group are very definitely into the satanic thing, while the other one is kind of in the middle. He told me his interpetation of dark carnival is NOT Christ like. "

evidence wrote on Jul 12, 2007 11:10 AM:

" FOR THE LAST TIME, ALL EVIDENCE SHOWS THAT YOU ARE SATANIC WORSHIPPERS! I AM SO SICK OF HEATING YOU AREN'T!!!! OUR FACTS ARE STRAIGHT!! "

JUGGALO46901 wrote on Jul 12, 2007 2:54 AM:

" I AM SO SICK OF THIS!!!! 4 THE LAST TIME WE ARE NOT SATANIC!!!!!!!!!! GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU START THE NAME CALLING "

Hopeful wrote on Jul 11, 2007 7:55 PM:

" Re : Grow- there will be no repayment of plane tickets or anything else by an average citizen of Southern Illinois. I can't believe anyone would travel from Japan to hear this group sing. Southern Illinois has TICK'S so small,they would fit on the head of a straight pin. Small, but deadly.I would think twice about attending this event.Especially,coming from overseas. "

Herrin High wrote on Jul 11, 2007 1:52 PM:

" I am amazed that no one seems to see this controversy for what it really is - a First Amendment Free Speech issue. Where is the ACLU? Asleep? On wacation? Drunk in a bar in Carbondale? "

wrong wrote on Jul 10, 2007 9:46 PM:

" To Grow: You are SO wrong. Just watch. "

awed wrote on Jul 10, 2007 9:45 PM:

" Folks, look at the video in question, read the lyrics, listen to the music, and that should be enough to make you sick. If not, ask the operators of the Peoria Civic Center about their opinions of this vile, violent group, and I think you will see why we do not want this group anywhere near Hardin County. "

Catherine wrote on Jul 10, 2007 8:27 PM:

" Maybe you should have taken into consideration the area when you scheduled this circus. Had any of you done any homework at all, you would have known that this is not an area too conducive to hosting thousands of people in a cult festival for 4 days. I also ask that you stop insulting us by saying you are a big Christian family. I looked at the lyrics to your songs, and these songs are horrid, and I grew up on 70s rock. This is beyond the pale. To argue as you do that Christ approves of this music is insane. Amd, yes, there is violence everywhere and we can only hope that our children are smart enough to ignore songs about it and realize it is wrong. However, not every child is the same and some are more impressionable as we know. This band and its fans encourages frightful violence and degradation towards women who, in their words, "deserve it." Is it your place to say who in this world deserves violent death just because you feel you have been wronged? I am not religious, but is that right? No. The songs and music are sick and the band is for people with hatred issues. "

grow wrote on Jul 10, 2007 7:42 PM:

" its to late we have our tickets in hand 90% of us have booked planes in from as far as japan .. even if u stop it we are still going to show up and unless ur county wants to pay everyone back 4 their plane and gathering tickets there is nothing u can do to stop it ...SORRY "

cyanide wrote on Jul 10, 2007 4:01 PM:

" 1. we were not the first to start these verbal attacks read the articles and some of the things said about us before we even had a chance to speak. 2. u say we are only about violence but just let me remind u of a few past occurrences A.it seems that everyone has forgotten the crusades. got anything to defend that. B. what about the bombing of planned parenthoods. C. my last example is just in case u all forgot about the salem witch trials. u say we talk about violence against women. last time i checked we didnt drown innocent women and children because they had different beliefs than us and on the word of zealot. "

Dora (Concerned) wrote on Jul 10, 2007 1:35 PM:

" I don't know if my last message posted or not. I just want everyone to know that I posted the letter on July 7th from concerned, not the letter on July 10. That is from a different Concerned! "

CC wrote on Jul 10, 2007 7:20 AM:

" RE: Charmed - Let's see what your position is,when he returns. As a Christian , you can't be a good Christian and approve of the violent language and filth that comes out of their mouth's. If you lay down with pigs,you are bound to get dirty ! "

Praise wrote on Jul 9, 2007 10:32 PM:

" I will take a man like Degrave over the music-cult anyday. Degrave was not afraid to stand up for the people he represents, as opposed to those of you who hide behind masks and makeup. Believe me, as a resident of Hardin, Degrave speaks for the overwhelming majority of us. By now, you have insulted us, which we actually think is funny, but it definitely leaves you with few supporters. I would live in Hardin any day of the week over the burned out hold called Detroit and any other big city, such as Murder City Chicago. Stay away. "

that girl from HC wrote on Jul 9, 2007 6:22 PM:

" the person who wrote this comment below is the only person here who truely understands gods word even degrave and theses other ppl like alex are sinners and once listened to the devil i am not questioning tehre faith but it is true grow wrote on Jul 2, 2007 7:53 PM: " this DeGrave sounds like a someone i meet at church when i was a kid, my dad just died and i started runing with a gang i got a tattoo as a cry 4 help at 13.. what was i told " ur going to hell b/c u tattooed ur body" what i needed was for maybe the church to take me in and help me out but nope i got was "ur going to hell" i found god i know he well take me in no mater what i look like/ what bands im into .. and for one to know god he must first know the devil, i was a sinner but i have found my way. and im 27 now " "

Herrin High wrote on Jul 9, 2007 2:49 PM:

" CHANGING PLANS and other posters of this ilk are highly suspicious and almost certainly fakes. The religous right wing loves to send fake letters to the editor and engage in coordinated campaigns using "concerned citizens" or some other innocent-sounding moniker. I would bet this is part of such a saemi-coordinated tactic. Expect to see more letters regarding how we are becoming so "unfriendly" to families. Anyone been to Las Vegas lately? It's like Epcot with slot machines and strippers. Think that stops people from bringing their kids? I've seen people pushing strollers and dragging around pre-teens on Bourbon Street in New Orleans and some of what goes on there would make a crow blush. Get real, people. Wake up to the American Taliban and their stealth tactics. "

platform puma wrote on Jul 9, 2007 12:17 PM:

" what a corny reason to not go to an entire region because of a tiny concert in one corner that you wouldnt have even known about otherwise. but if youre that (insert derogatory descriptor) than by all means go to missouri. youll be much happier. "

Hatchet Man wrote on Jul 9, 2007 11:42 AM:

" Were commin to your town and you can't stop us so you might a well get used to it. I don't know why you getting all upset anyway. Were going to spend lots of money and you could use it. Besides you'll see were not so bad. Better than those dirty stinking biker that come to your town. Were better than that and we have money too. "

Carol wrote on Jul 9, 2007 9:44 AM:

" NOBODY NEEDS TOURISM DOLLARS THAT MUCH ! STAY AWAY !!!!!!! "

changing plans wrote on Jul 9, 2007 9:27 AM:

" I was discussing my upcoming vacation plans with a coworker this morning and when I mentioned I was planning on travelling to Southern Illinois he pointed me to this article. I have to say I was shocked at what I read. Guess I'll be changing my plans and probably be travelling to the Missouri Ozarks instead. Sorry but it appears your area is becoming less family friendly. I hope that is temporary as we have always enjoyed our stays in your area. "

Carol wrote on Jul 8, 2007 7:42 PM:

" You are not wanted, so stay out !! You don't have to listen to filthy language or violent overtones to have fun. If you follow this band around, when do you work or are you independently wealthy ? I read on one of the messages posted,why I am a Mother? Doesn't mean that you are a good one ! "

Try Detroit wrote on Jul 8, 2007 12:10 PM:

" Since the "family" wants to gather and celebrate their favorite band, why not go "home" to Detroit? That's where the band and promotion company is from so that must be the real home of the "family". I'm sure Detroit would welcome all of the Juggs and Jiggles with open arms full of love and respect...after all, there is the freedom of assembly, speech, and the right to be wierd and I am sure the community standards in Detroit are much lower than Southern Illinois. "

Bill wrote on Jul 7, 2007 12:56 PM:

" I am just wondering ifif Degraave has acutally seen one of these concerts or just going on heresay. He should check at other concert sites and see if the authorities had as much violence as Degrave is telling everyone. This is still a free country and people are allowed to enjoyany music they like. "

Concerned wrote on Jul 7, 2007 8:12 AM:

" Hello All. I have been reading the posts here and am very concerned. There are better ways of dealing with things. Christians, When you quote the Bible to people that don't believe in the Bible.. they are not listening. If the Christians citizens of Hardin County truly do not want the gathering held in Hardin County, I suggest that you take it up with the Boss! Trading "mean" words back and forth is not going to accompolish anything. Prayer and fasting changes lives and changes circumstances. There are over 30 days left before they are supposed to hold the gathering. Get together "Church" and pray... fast... gather for a cause! Go to the area where the gathering will be held (no trespassing of course) and lay hands on the area or close to it.. pray and ask the Lord to intercede here. The Lord has granted people free will, so many will choose to enjoy these groups. But when God's people pray and fast.. HE LISTENS!! If the concern is really that deep about this... a around the clock prayer vigil may be appropriate. I for one believe that prayer changes people and nations... which also includes Hardin County!! "

mgp wrote on Jul 6, 2007 9:53 PM:

" I grew up in Cave-in-Rock and am proud of it. My parents still live less than a mile from where this concert will be. I take great offense at statements being posted from supporters of the gathering. First, just because I live in the country, doesn't mean I'm an illiterate, brainless hillbilly. Secondly, I DO NOT support your coming. This doesn't make me judgemental or "stuck in the dark ages" or old. I don't support your coming for logical reasons, and anyone with half a brain could see how the facts are concerning. The numbers of fans expected for this event is overwhelming. We are a SMALL community of only hundreds of people and we are going to be invaded by tens of THOUSANDS. Making this more problematic, the police force will be adding a possible extra 20 deputies. Sorry, but 1 officer per 1,000 or more excited, rowdy fans does NOT make me feel safe or eliminate the worry for my families' safety. Plus, the reputation of this group preceeds them. And while I would never assume that simply because a person was in this crowd, they were "evil"; stories from their other events are enough to cause doubt. And then I come on here, and discover that instead of defending yourselves, most simply insult our way of life and our intelligence. If there's a way to stop your coming, I pray they find it. "

wiley wrote on Jul 6, 2007 8:53 PM:

" To gain respect, you must earn it. The people of this region are by and large religious, pseudo-southern, and with a blue collar ethic, very skeptical of those who have not earned respect. One must only look at the lyrics to this group's songs, and inquire into the concerts in other towns, and quickly realize there is no respect to be had here. Hardin Co. is not perfect, nor is So. Ill., and it has its share of violence and certainlyh poverty. We are admittedly slow to change, but we insist on a person earning respect and proving themselves by their deeds. WE know your deeds, and for these reasons, we ask that you voluntarily stay out of our area before we all have to waste time and effort to legally keep you out. "

Owen wrote on Jul 6, 2007 7:50 PM:

" "But we're a bunch of country boys here, so they might have bitten off more than they can chew." "We don't want them invading our territory." (sounds a little hillbillyesque...I can see where some people would be quick to throw that word in) ~Pastor Degrave These are not the words of a God inspired call to arms. These are the words of a grandstanding windbag who wants to flex a little muscle and see just how much power he wields over all of you. He acts as though we're coming there to enslave you all and that stopping the Gathering would be him fighting off thousands of demons single handedly. And as an aside to The Southern, my last post was well within the bounds of your rules, contained very valid points and useful information, and it still didn't get posted. "

TLO wrote on Jul 6, 2007 7:46 PM:

" I too am offended by the way Pastor Greg has been treated here,,It is fine for you all to want to invade our community and call us names but heaven help the poor soul who is speaking out against you! And if your so PEACE loving, why is he receiving threats against him and his family?? You can talk all you want about the religous aspect of your beliefs but you ARE NOT Christians..No you don't have to be a Christian to have a gathering here, but we don't want the kind of perverse crap that your gonna bring..Hog Rock is bad enough...I am also sick of the name calling..If you all think we are so dense, hillbilly, etc then PLEASE don't bother to grace us with your presence.. "

williamson co wrote on Jul 6, 2007 7:41 PM:

" There simply is no dark carnival in religion of any kind. I go to church nominally, but am certainly not zealous. Still, I am smart enough to know that Dark carnivals can in no way be associated with the church. So, get off that one. There is also simply no excuse for the vile and repulsive lyrics. Every two-bit cover band can sing about pain and hardship, and not use the mind-numbing language. You who follow this band are so off base with your misguided perceptions of life. I feel sad for each of you as you struggle through your souless life, with a belief that people who go to concerts with you are your "family." There is much to life, and you need to overcome all of your anger at the world. I have dealt with as much pain and suffering as the circus band you follow, and I chose to now try to make as much out of the time I have on earth. I can think of nothing more wasteful in the eyes of the God (or devil) that you worship than wasting away at a concert full of darkness. I hope you all soon find out more about yourselves and move on to a more productive life. "

Rae88 wrote on Jul 6, 2007 3:07 PM:

" Okay you all...I have gotten on here 5 or 6 times and read and kept up with what you all have said. I am personally offended with what you all have said about Pastor Greg. I know him personally and i know his heart. He is doing EXACTELY what God has told him to do. Nothing more nothing less. If you have a problem with that then take it up with God. I think most of you need to keep your mouths shut. Most of you have no idea what this could do to Cave in Rock and the community. WE DONT WANT YOU HERE! So find some place else to go. You all have a bad way of thinking if you all think that God is apart of the dark carnival. Alot of people have said it on here and i will repeat it God is LIGHT. Not dark. Your music is not about God. It has to do with the devil. Stop using God as an excuse to come here. I pray for you all to have your eyes opened to what you are doing. All i can say is God have mercy on all of us. "

Back wrote on Jul 6, 2007 1:01 PM:

" This is great! This is so funny and hilarious!! I have been out of town for over a week, and just looked through back issues here and saw all these emails on this group. I have never heard of the group, but this makes me laugh. I love it! Hey, I listen to all kinds of music, from rock to country, but I want to see if I can get this straight. You fans of this band actually follow them around everywhere and have little names for yourselves? And it is some sort of family, or something like that? Is that possible? Hey, to each his own, but I am at a loss to understand this comedy. You take this stuff seriously to where you debate all of the meanings and find Christ or the devil or whoever it is you are inspired by? I listended to some music by these guys, and man was it BAD. I'm not just talking about the trashy lyrics, whatever. I am talking about their "music." Apparently they were named the worst band ever, so I read somewhere in these emails, and I would have to agree. This is one of the funniest things I have ever read! Advice: GET A LIFE! (or listen to another, better band) "

mizz_lette wrote on Jul 6, 2007 11:28 AM:

" It's only four days people...get over it!! if we had it our way...it would probably go on for monthes at a time!! we cant get enough of our family!! MCL "

HELLO! wrote on Jul 6, 2007 8:38 AM:

" did you people read the fine print under the comments box? let me repaste it here for those that ride the short bus to work: Do not post comments using a full name. i.e. John Smith. Only use John or Smith, or a pseudonym. If you wish to be identified by using your full name, you must first send your comments to our editor, for verification. Your comments will then be posted. "

lostem wrote on Jul 5, 2007 9:42 PM:

" As one of the very very few residents of Hardin County to defend your right to have your concert in our home, I just want you to know that I no longer support your coming here, and ask you politely to not come. WHy? Because I have read all the emails, some helpful, most stupid, but I notice one trend. You guys and girls have constantly been attacking my homeland. You call me a redneck, hillbilly, toothless, etc. I have not judged you, and now you have judged me and you do not know who I am. That is a deep deep insult. I am rational and thought it would be good for the area to have people here spending money, but you have managed to lose all my support. I do not come to where you live and knock you. You have made me angry enough to now join those who are petitioning to keep you out. Sorry, but you made the choice easy. Constructive criticism is good; Hardin Co has many problems, but insults are for those who are uneduated themselves. You have lost a friend and supporter "

Tammy wrote on Jul 5, 2007 8:31 PM:

" Elizabeth C from Saline Co. if you want the gathering so bad, ask them to come to Saline County. We don't want them. It's not just Hardin County (hillbillys) that don't want them here. There are people from Saline, Pope, Gallatin, and Crittenden Co forming against this. "

local law wrote on Jul 5, 2007 6:26 PM:

" Since it is on private property, it may be hard to keep these nuts off. But, the county bd/ police has full authority to monitor the noise level, and intervene if too loud, watch the roads right outside the event for drinkers, go onto the grounds for any disturbance of any kind. Also, residents have the right to complain to the police about the noise level, disturbances, etc. In other words, do not flaunt your supposed invincibility, groupies, because the law is NOT powerless to intervene. And, we in this area that you know nothing about cherish Cave in Rock and the surrounding beauty and nature. If you damage these areas, which is likely given what I know and have researched about your past events, then the county has authority to come after you/the band for every penny of damages you are likely to cause. And, once you leave the grounds, you are subject to the law, so DUI, drug arrests can and will be made. "

County Board Action wrote on Jul 5, 2007 3:45 PM:

" The county board can step-in and regulate every event at Hog Rock, if they have the guts to do so. "

m.hirano(cyanide) wrote on Jul 5, 2007 1:50 PM:

" this to the comment by welcome to hardin county, im just curious if that was a threat or an actual welcome? oh btw thats my real name up at the top. im sure someone will say ohhh u only used your last name but im pretty sure no one else at the gathering or in hardin county shares that so save the complaining. "

To Herrin High wrote on Jul 5, 2007 11:33 AM:

" You're taking a very naive view of the impact these people have on your community. Yes a few businesses had a one time sales increase however the damage done in terms of broken plate glass windows, and other property damage, not to mention the trash, and increased insurance rates more than offset what little extra revenue was generated. Also it took some time before the regular customers would return. I don't know what type of regular tourism you currently have but you can be sure these folks will scare the regulars away for some time to come. Long term these people are not worth the trouble they create. "

Scott wrote on Jul 5, 2007 8:34 AM:

" So, "God is the horn" and some folks in Hardin County won't jump over barrels, even though their preacher tells them to. Ummm, yeah, okay, got it. "

Welcome to Hardin wrote on Jul 5, 2007 7:27 AM:

" county Jugahoos!! Not everyone in our county don't want you to come. Me an my friends are looking forward to your visit. We going to have some fun you bet. Hope yo enjoy our type of down home fun. You bet we are. "

what a joke wrote on Jul 5, 2007 5:26 AM:

" Let's see, a pastor wants to get a little press for himself so .... How about this Pastor, why don't you speak up about fact that 28 percent of your children live below the poverty line and maybe do something about it. This band will have little affect on your daily lives. Maybe having more festivals in the area will help some of you hillbillies get out of the dark ages. "

Re Alex wrote on Jul 4, 2007 10:19 PM:

" You would do well to study biblical history concerning the bibles origin. I suppose you are aware the Catholics decided what books went in the bible and what books didn't. The books of Thomas and Mary to name a few that didn't make the cut. Not long ago Mitt Romney's crowd were racist until 1965 when the civil rights act criminalized the Mormons thinking on race. Your southern brethren in days of old held church on Sunday and slaves 24/7. Next comes to mind the various religious inquisitions that history tells us happened around the world. As I read it. Christians killed off those who didn't line up with christian thinking and they considered guilty of some sort of blasphemy or what ever else. And last but not least is my all time favorite: The Salem witch trials. You folks touting a religion that has a history of killing off folks is a stretch. Still I say if your religion works for you and your harmless to the rest of society. Go for it, but don't try to force your line of thinking on the rest of us. That's not your job. "

Jim wrote on Jul 4, 2007 4:00 PM:

" The reason this concert should not take place is not about religion, but about the trouble they cause at their many "gatherings". We will just have to see how many disfunctional young brats show up. Next time maybe they should book a concert where their music belongs...at a landfill or sanitation plant. This group cannot sing, and their lyrics absolutely stink! But hey, welcome to Southern Illinois...where some dumb bunch of wannabee kids will follow you, because they have nothing else to look forward to but except being a "loser". "

hchick wrote on Jul 4, 2007 7:17 AM:

" "THE FOLLOWERS OF BRO DEGRAVE??"....Try the followers of Jesus Christ..LOL...It is sickening that it is OK for these strangers to overtake a community while calling them every name in the book and the constant put downs on here not just about Pastor DeGrave but about the whole community, but if the people opposed say something back, they are wrong, judgemental..etc... "

Tammy wrote on Jul 3, 2007 10:42 PM:

" Well put Alex! "

JuggaletteRazRcanDE wrote on Jul 3, 2007 5:53 PM:

" You know that's just straight up stupid. It's not true that we're Satanists. We have our own beliefs. And we're not violent or rowdy we're just into our music we love it like no other, I mean we're self righteous and all that, and get our opinions across. Personally I think it depends on the person who's provoking us. So get your stuff straight. Don't ruin the Gathering for all of us. It's just not fair, just because some people have stereotypical issues. Remember the Golden Rule,'n' the Echo effect. The boomerang may fail you. Quit Judging people too. "

Gramps wrote on Jul 3, 2007 2:09 PM:

" I once followed this band, and quit in 2003 so I could get my life in order. Why did I follow? Because I was misguided at the time, and my friends, who follow satanic groups and believe in it themselves, convinced me to do so. Yes, a good percentage of these people are into satanic practices, and a good many are not. Still, it is a messed up experience and there is no "family" there. It was about the violence and drugs. That was it. I am thankful I have rehabbed myself and gotten away from this very dangerous group. "

HMmmmmm wrote on Jul 3, 2007 10:48 AM:

" That Repeat feller sounds like a tough hombre. Maybe the local authorities need to make Repeat aware that he needs to obey mans law when dealing with other citizens of this U S of A. The law of the land isn't going to allow Repeats misbehaving because God told him to. We all know about Bush praying about it before signing off on invading Iraq. We are all even more aware of the resulting Mess in Mesopotamia due Bush's lack of communication skills with God and or the C I A. "

shawn wrote on Jul 2, 2007 9:13 PM:

" Please get over it it will be ok.Don't they hold biker rally's there im sure thats good clean christian fun.lol "

Gods Child wrote on Jul 2, 2007 8:35 PM:

" To lette family member: GOD is light not dark!!! For others:So many are insulting God by spelling it with a little (g) anything can be a god, a tv, car, person, group, or carnival. But the one and only true God is the father of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Bro Greg DeGrave once again I commend you for your stand. I'm right behind you. As well as many others. No weapon formed against me shall prosper. And Ephesians 6:10-17 Be Strong in the Lord and his mighty power. Put on all of God's armor so that you will be able to stand firm against all strategies of the devil. For we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world and against evil spirits in the heavenly places. Therefore put on every piece of God's armor so you will be able to resist the enemy in the time of evil. Then after the battle you will be standing firm. STAND YOUR GROUND, putting on the belt of truth and the body of armor of God's righteousness. For shoes, put on the peace that comes fronm the Good News so that you will be fully prepared. In addition to all of these, hold up the shield of faith to stop the fiery arrows of the devil. Put on salvation as your helmet, and take the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God! "

Disgusted wrote on Jul 2, 2007 8:29 PM:

" I have no problem with your little concert going in our area. Fine. It will be over soon and we can repair the damage. I am a nominal Christian, no thumper. But, I have to wonder about you who claim to be so Christian who listen to the filth from this band. Your words speak as to who you are; and one read of your lyrics tell me all I need to know. You simply are not human, but are blood thirsty beasts. "

grow wrote on Jul 2, 2007 7:53 PM:

" this DeGrave sounds like a someone i meet at church when i was a kid, my dad just died and i started runing with a gang i got a tattoo as a cry 4 help at 13.. what was i told " ur going to hell b/c u tattooed ur body" what i needed was for maybe the church to take me in and help me out but nope i got was "ur going to hell" i found god i know he well take me in no mater what i look like/ what bands im into .. and for one to know god he must first know the devil, i was a sinner but i have found my way. and im 27 now "

grow wrote on Jul 2, 2007 7:42 PM:

" Behind this gate is a place, A damp dark place, Where sunlight does not shine, A place where people who are different, Who can call home, And what home would be complete without a family?, A family of hideous abominations that with will cast out of your world, The world that drags and boasts of love, The world didn't love when they branded us freekshows, Ahh yes, the deplorable little name we inbraced by tonight, It was you that turned your back on them "

Josh i.e. Canada wrote on Jul 2, 2007 6:15 PM:

" First, the rumors as to how many people. Last year there was about 7000 people who attended. If there is a buisness who will accept my money then i shall find them. for the last time we do not worship the devil. If I worshiped the devil would I have risked my life on 4 occasions traveling to different slums in mexico to build houses and churches for the underpriviladged in the name of 'your god' We had the police driving by every ten minutes to make sure we were safe. reply to righto: I use my name. It says that i shouldn't use my full name, so i am respecting the rules. I also notice that a few people from your town have threatened us with physical violence, yet they left a name like "Rambling" I also wrote a rather long and well thought out letter to the writer of these articals, using my full name and contact information. peachfuzz: Drinking is not a sin, being around someone who is drinking is not a sin. EVERYONE is a sinner, even you. Read your bible, "Before you try to remove the beam from someone else's eye, first remove the speck from your own." "

Marco wrote on Jul 2, 2007 5:54 PM:

" Get here, have your silly concert, paint your faces like the weirdos you are, and GET OUT. I am sick of your bickering. You follow the worst band ever, according to Blender, so move along and quit wasting our time. And get some meaning in your lives, will ya? "

Panda wrote on Jul 2, 2007 4:47 PM:

" Just about every concert has people that get out of hand, and it takes a lot more than just violent lyrics to make people violent. "

Findley wrote on Jul 2, 2007 2:39 PM:

" I am a Juggalette, and have been since 2003. I will admit it, since no one else will, that I am into this group because of the devil connection, and I am shocked by all of you who are denying it. We are still jsut as free to follow music and attend concerts, even if we believe like we do. There is absolutely no Christianity in this music, which is why I follow it. I get my anger out by listening and floating off to another place dreaming I can do the violent things Violent J preaches about. Come one guys, let's at least admit the truth. "

ExChristian CC wrote on Jul 2, 2007 2:25 PM:

" I've been a Juggalette since 2002, If you met me you'd never know I was apart of anything like this AWESOME and AMAZING Family. It's a way of life for most of us, some just starting out haven't quite grasped that yet. Then there are the people who think we're satanic like Greg Degrave, and have no idea what we're really about and nor do they care. We're different, and that's all that matters to them. I am so sick of closed minded people. We're human's all of us, we each have the capability and the thought process to be violent, sadistic, masochistic, and just flat out sick, BUT not all of us indulge those capabilities. Or we do in condusive ways like music, or Kick Boxing or even something like Golf. The thing is, unless we assimilate all people take away there individuality and original thought process everyone is going to dislike or think badly of someone else. And I really hope that assimilation never comes. Back to my point, It's not fair to say because you wear makeup and have different views on certain things you're a satanist, you're a bad person, or anything like that. We get a little rowdy, but think back to Woodstock and Livestock and things like that, We're a pretty laid back crowd. We like to sing our songs, dance around & have FUN. We don't like it when people get hurt at the concerts, it might happen but we don't encourage it. "

CC wrote on Jul 2, 2007 1:32 PM:

" I've been a Juggalette since 2002, If you met me you'd never know I was apart of anything like this AWESOME and AMAZING Family. It's a way of life for most of us, some just starting out haven't quite grasped that yet. Then there are the people who think we're satanic like Greg Degrave, and have no idea what we're really about and nor do they care. We're different, and that's all that matters to them. I am so sick of closed minded people. We're human's all of us, we each have the capability and the thought process to be violent, sadistic, masochistic, and just flat out sick, BUT not all of us indulge those capabilities. Or we do in condusive ways like music, or Kick Boxing or even something like Golf. The thing is, unless we assimilate all people take away there individuality and original thought process everyone is going to dislike or think badly of someone else. And I really hope that assimilation never comes. Back to my point, It's not fair to say because you wear makeup and have different views on certain things you're a satanist, you're a bad person, or anything like that. We get a little rowdy, but think back to Woodstock and Livestock and things like that, We're a pretty laid back crowd. We like to sing our songs, dance around & have FUN. We don't like it when people get hurt at the concerts, it might happen but we don't encourage it. "

JayAnn wrote on Jul 2, 2007 1:24 PM:

" Scott got all out of sorts about my traffic jam comments and my speculation on the number of people who will attend the Gathering in August. I was just kidding around. The fact is that I don't know how many will attend, but I am curious to know. I've heard rumors of 5,000, 10,000, 20,000 to 30,000. I guess rumors are flying everywhere. But ticks and mosquitos are a fact. Everyone is not against the Gathering. One person does not express the feelings of a whole county. I know some business owners who are glad to have the Gathering to boost their incomes. I guess Scott set me straight on the number of people to expect. That is good information. "

juju wrote on Jul 2, 2007 1:09 PM:

" re:word up read your own message from the Bible. The rest of us will enjoy a concert. "

SprinkleLette wrote on Jul 2, 2007 11:12 AM:

" Just like every group of people, we have our share of bad apples. but the majority of us just want to come and experience the unity of the gathering. Spend a few days chillin with our family and listening to the music that helped bring us together. Oh, and i just had to say WE AREN'T SATANISTS! We believe in Jesus Christ as our savior. I wish that you all would at least learn more about us before you started guessing on what we're about. "

LouAL wrote on Jul 2, 2007 9:18 AM:

" Bro. Greg Degrave's concerns are valid in the eyes of many christians and non-christians. The only difference is, he is willing to stand up for his beliefs whereas other christians are afraid to make a stand for fear of what their peers will think. He'll take the heat for his comments and he'll come through it without a scratch. Stand behind Bro. Degrave HARDIN COUNTY and surrounding counties or wait until they move the venue to a field next to your property. "

HMmmmsez wrote on Jul 2, 2007 8:10 AM:

" I just voted in SI's should the concert go on census poll. It appears the nays are loosing by a two to one margin. Looks to me like a Sunday school campaign is order to bolster the nay's chances of winning the poll. It would appear to me that it probably appears to you nays that Lucifer is doing a number on you. How about it? If you can't get the better in this little bitty poll. Well. You know what I'm saying with out my saying it. "

kelly wrote on Jul 1, 2007 10:06 PM:

" Jason from tenn: wow, that's bold to actually admit you come from TN. And it sounds like you even have teeth. I am not from IL or anywhere near Hardin Co, but I have travelled the U.S. including Cave in Rock, and I can tell you you have not seen anything like it, even you who are bold enough to admit you come from the South. It is as remote as you can get, including your hick TN state. There are poisonous snakes all over there, and places no human has even been. But, hey, if you are proud of being from the South, good for you. The South, including TN is an embarrassment to the U.S. "

My dear old dad wrote on Jul 1, 2007 12:10 PM:

" He used to tell me, when speaking of churchgoers, "Just because I can go sit in a garage doesn't make me a car!" "

TJD wrote on Jul 1, 2007 10:55 AM:

" I think The Gathering is a fine idea; a chance for folks with similar interests to get together and listen to music and enjoy........Safety is a concern, however. The roads down in Hardin County are narrow, winding roads that traverse up and down many steep hills. They don't call it Shawnee Hills on the Ohio for nothing. So, come and gather, but be safe on the roads..... "

Resident wrote on Jul 1, 2007 8:57 AM:

" I think you've been misled about what kind of area this is. There are no stores around here, and very few restaurants. The nearest Walmart is more than 30 miles away. You really will be in the woods. I've read your message board for weeks now, and I will admit, it concerns me that some of the people that post there will be coming here, to my small rural town, in August. It's a culture clash waiting to happen. I just hope no one gets hurt. "

DBM wrote on Jun 30, 2007 10:50 PM:

" IM GOING TO HAVE TO AGREE WITH KAYLA ON THE MATTER.."Unwind these times These tales remind To find peace inside with no ideas of demise,Where I can be at one within a choose a life of clarity,One day at a time my motor skills are functioning,I breathe the air and ride the seas How many days are left like these? Tomorrows never guaranteed So I'll make today the best day of my life,Try to give love and cause nobody strife,For this is the time I was given to live And every moment is truly my gift"-TAXMAN "

grow wrote on Jun 30, 2007 1:00 PM:

" u may hate us but WE LOVE U "

JasoninTennessee wrote on Jun 30, 2007 10:25 AM:

" You know I could have swore that somewhere in the Bible it talks about not judging. How many of you so-called church goers have I read judging what you don't understand. So here is a little quote for ya. "You tell me that I sin, You say I'm bound for hell, so once your judgment condems you, I shall see you fall to hell". And wasn't it Johnny Cash that said he shot a man in Reno just to watch him die. Guess he was a satanist to, huh? "

Ivory wrote on Jun 30, 2007 9:19 AM:

" This question is for Rambling.. when you said "Slip around in the mud and muck you wil cause in the fields. And, remember, our local hunters may mistake you in your outfits and makeup as an animal and shoot. Other than that, have fun. " Was that a death threat? "

Peace loving resident wrote on Jun 30, 2007 7:19 AM:

" Kasbell has it right. County officials didn't address Hog Rock 10 years ago and now they and many peace loving residents are wondering what to expect from the private property owner who is capitalizing on all of this. The crowd could be saints or sinners; it doesn't matter. What matters is that the county doesn't have the resources to handle what might come from so many visitors at once. Yes, the county could use the revenue. At the same time, thousands of dollars are going to be spent addressing potential problems. Where is the money going to come from? The county doesn't have it. The taxpayers are carrying a full load. The sheriff is doing all he can to find enough officers to address ANY type of crowd this large.It would be irresponsible for county officials to sit back and say they can't doing anything to prepare, because there is no money. They should have some authority to regulate what goes on in the county.They haven't taken the initiative to do so. "

melissa wrote on Jun 29, 2007 11:14 PM:

" let them play their music, its a right "

juggaloJew wrote on Jun 29, 2007 10:34 PM:

" Just Want to thank the Owner Tim York for welcoming us to his property. Oh yeah, one more thing, When addressing the lyrics of the carnival songs you'd sound more intelligent if you quoted the song. Then maybe we could help you understand what else it could mean. Once again Thank you Mr. York "

tasha keeler wrote on Jun 29, 2007 9:38 PM:

" its not fair to judge a scenerio that your just scared of.if its religion then listen to some of it. real life. open your ears and know that this dosent have any negative effect of anything but what you turn it into. "

JUSTIN wrote on Jun 29, 2007 4:40 PM:

" HEY MAN THATS B.S ALL THEY GOTTA DO IS LESTEN TO THE MUSIC NOT TAKE IT AT A GLANCE AND THEY WOULD KNOW THEY ARE NOT SATANIC. IN FACT THEY ARE ABOUT GOD. AND WHAT CONCERT DOESNT USE POLICE PATROLS AND EXTRA BACK UP WHEN THERE IS ALOT OF PEOPLE AROUND "

wow wrote on Jun 29, 2007 4:35 PM:

" Well if you all must come..please feel free to take Tim York back with you! "

Shelly wrote on Jun 29, 2007 12:59 PM:

" Remember the brouhaha over the 1970 May Day Fest that resulted in the fabled Carbondale riots? That was a far, far less commercial venture than this. We live in the age of global corporate branding, people. It's just a business making a buck, no matter what makeup the band members are wearing. "

FaDeZ wrote on Jun 29, 2007 11:17 AM:

" Hey Listen to the cd wraith last song You'll be very surpised But You should LET THE SHOW GO ON! Bible are stories "

George wrote on Jun 29, 2007 8:11 AM:

" Are the bible pounders worried about competition? "

reply to june wrote on Jun 29, 2007 8:01 AM:

" excerpt takin from a song, may be violent and vulgar but LISTEN to the message not just the lyrics...."**** the devil, **** that sh!t, we believe in life legit, Aint you hearing what we say?, Why you throw your soul away?" They are telling there fans not to be evil. You may listen to the lyrics.. but you dont hear the message. The songs where they go on killing sprees, at the end they themselves are usually killed by police or some other type of situation. its all about karma. The following is that only one person will judge you. and that is god. "

concerned, not scared wrote on Jun 29, 2007 7:19 AM:

" I've known Pastor DeGrave for a number of years, I believe if the Gathering folk is so religious and spiritual, maybe they can sit down for Sunday services, plus he can always use the extra offering. I'm hoping for the best outcome for everybody, but some of the stuff, for lack of better terms, that is being thrown out here is ridiculous, on both sides. Publicity, I guess, is good for everyone involved. "

ICP- wrote on Jun 29, 2007 6:20 AM:

" Beware the grease painted onez. "

Bryce boy-lol wrote on Jun 29, 2007 6:14 AM:

" dude almost everyone is dirt poor in so ill... detroit has nothing on the illness of Ill. So fight the fight but saying so illers have no idea about poverty and want makes you look IGNORANT. Every family has one lMMFAO "

ILLJIZAMATIK wrote on Jun 29, 2007 4:26 AM:

" I WANT ALL THE CHURCHES TO BE OPEN WHEN WE COME YALL!!!! "

Adam Bomb wrote on Jun 29, 2007 3:55 AM:

" Look, this is very simple, and not that hard to understand or figure out. It has been the common reaction of the masses to freak out and act belligerant whenever something they do not understand jumps in their face. Stop getting all up in arms about it, and just let Rev. Whoever say what he wants. Do not add fuel to his fire by arguing with him. This is the typical response of the unenlightened right wing church leaders we have all grown to know and despise. Get over it, and as for biting off more than we could chew, well, that comment just shows you for the ignorant people you are. This is why some of todays youth are so disenchanted with religion. You have no one else but yourself, and people like you to blame for that. I would only like to point out that most of the horrendously violent acts in human history have been done in the name of God. Keep that in mind before you start crying about Satanism and shocking music. Last time I checked this was a free country, but, then again, there have always been facists running rampant, and this is just another example of it. If you don't like it don't listen, but let those who do enjoy themselves. I am sure that no one will harm a single hair on your little country fried heads. "

Its me again wrote on Jun 29, 2007 2:41 AM:

" Why can't you all just find somewhere else to have your gathering and leave Hardin County alone. "

Gods Child wrote on Jun 29, 2007 2:31 AM:

" GOD IS THE LIGHT, so he can't be in the dark carnival!Read Psalms 52. The bible warns that there would be false doctrine in the last days and this is a prime example of this. I am in full support of Pastor Greg DeGrave and the Shawnee Ministerial Alliance. May you all find the truth and God Bless "

Cherrie Butterfly wrote on Jun 29, 2007 2:11 AM:

" People need to understand that violence in lyrics is laced in every genre. I think that the concert should stay. We are not any of these labels for guess what!? We are all religons which includes Christian. So quit assuming and get your facts straight!Second if there are some common courtesty rules were established, such as clean after yourself,and no illict drugs, will that help? Anything can go wrong at any type of concert. We may be a little rowdy, but we are not any different than the other people. I am a college student for nursing. There are others like me. So deal with it! "

teri wrote on Jun 28, 2007 10:46 PM:

" Funny thing about the Constitution...... It applies to everyone whether you like them or not. You can't just decide that you don't like someone's morals, no matter how low they are, and run them out. If these people are serious, then join your pennies and buy the place. That way you can decide who gets to come. "

AL wrote on Jun 28, 2007 10:40 PM:

" Well here we go! "

SmoothShoes wrote on Jun 28, 2007 6:51 PM:

" Wake up folks. Everything that's old is new again. Back in 1969, the same comments were heard when there was a possibility that a festival style weekend concert might be held in Southern Illinois. "

gram2lace wrote on Jun 28, 2007 6:05 PM:

" Hardin County you better pay attention to what "Robert" had to say about finding it funny that there would be 16 police officers for over 10,000 people..You better hope Pastor DeGrave is wrong because if he is not, do you want this in YOUR backyard for a weekend?? Better hope you don't need any EMS help yourself that weekend because they will all be busy at this MASS gathering..You don't have to be a Christian to oppose this thing..Just some good ole common sense will suffice.. Do you not find it strange that these people want to come to no where, USA for this where they KNOW our resources are very limited? You need to get on the internet and start reading some of these websites and the followers myspaces to see what you think. Pastor DeGrave is taking all the heat for this opposition seems like to me..There are several churches and Pastors that are SUPPOSED to be against this..WHERE ARE YOU?? Pastor DeGrave is standing up against something he believes will hurt his home..Its YOUR home too.... "

johnny wrote on Jun 28, 2007 5:04 PM:

" I met Capt Masse from the State Police during hogrock earliervthis month. Not what you expect when You think of the highest ranking trooper in thearea. Very down to earth. I believe him. He will not allow the police to harass us if we don't get stupid. MCL!!! "

Lala wrote on Jun 28, 2007 4:45 PM:

" If, as you all claim, you are peaceful and respecting of others so much, why don't you respect the wishes of the local people and find somewhere else for your concert? You all make yourself out to be such darling angels in your vicious, attacking emails, and if that is true, then you should be willing to consider the fact that you are not welcome and move on. That is called respecting the desires of the community. You are all going to great lengths to defend yourselves, which you really should have to question. Why would you want to go to a location that does not welcome you? You apparently have gone elsewhere in the past and you claim have been welcome, so why not just go back? Or is there more to it than that? "

watching wrote on Jun 28, 2007 4:32 PM:

" You people need to read the lyrics to the songs your cult band sings. They are the most vile, disgusting lyrics ever. Your peaceful, harmonious, I love God band sings about killing people, drugs, torture, and the list goes on. How can we respect anyone who plays that music or listens to it? I consider myself to be a liberal, but enough is enough. Your statements do not jive with the band you blindly follow. I have no idea if you are a bunch of devil worshipers or not, but I do know that your filth band is full of hatred and violence towards others, certainly not a band that uses euphemisms for God or promotes peace and respect. Quit the snowjob you are trying to put over on the locals and admit you want to go out in the woods, smoke dope, dream about killing people and torturing women, fantasize about satan, and just get on with it. "

Vincent9 wrote on Jun 28, 2007 2:53 PM:

" I love how im a 22 year old working member of society and get blighted as a Satanist for my taste in music and events. Granted, this stuff is shocking and not for everyone. This however is freedom of expression and yes you should not take chances but to label a bunch of working young adults as anarchists and satanics is purely ridiculous. Skeletons hide in all of our closets and the ones who apparently are ok with being a little strange are the ones who get persecuted. I love this nation. "

Johhny B. wrote on Jun 28, 2007 2:44 PM:

" Maybe Harding county will review their policies regarding large events and bann them ALL after this. "

kasbell wrote on Jun 28, 2007 12:38 PM:

" This is the same group that opposed Hogrock several years ago when they first started to meet there. The local authorities set their mind to stopping future occurences but let it drop. They have never established any liscence fees, permits or any form of properly hosting such events. It is their own fault. Instead of crying about how much this is going to cost, they could have learned from the past and would have been prepared. It is only natural that event planners are going to use a location with no rules or regulations concerning large activites. County commisioners could be sitting back and raking in the dough if they had followed through on this. "

FYI wrote on Jun 28, 2007 12:21 PM:

" All this commotion for a band that was voted the #1 worst band of all time by Blender magazine. They coudn't get a better band to ruffle some feahters in HC??? "

Joyce wrote on Jun 28, 2007 12:14 PM:

" I have heard this all before and guess what? The concerts have been peaceful. It is the uproar from church leaders that is violent by attacking something that they do NOT understand. Why don't they send a representative to explore and be able to truthfully report for next year? "

Mizz Italy wrote on Jun 28, 2007 11:23 AM:

" One weekend. Then you can have your little area back. Until then, just be cool, calm down, we're not gonna hurt anybody. "

Tom Gregg wrote on Jun 28, 2007 10:59 AM:

" Hey church dudes,welcome to the 21st century. That ancient dogma dont jive now. Tom Gregg St Louis Mo. "

LiL KillA wrote on Jun 28, 2007 2:53 AM:

" comedy that's all i gotta say...comedy "

Zach wrote on Jun 27, 2007 10:59 PM:

" You know, this has occured many times before. In the past the people who live in the area make a big deal about the Gathering and how bad it will be and how much chaos they will bring. Well after everything is all said and done, when its over nothing happened at all. After its over the people will say to themselves "Oh, now that wasnt that bad at all". You can look up past Gathering articles and every one of them has good reviews. Everybody always makes this a big deal, when it will just bring some excitement to the area. Also we do not believe in satanism, i dont even see how you guys got that. That is ridiculous, we follow god, and if we dont we follow somthin else we believe in and its not satan. We'll see yall in August, and when we leave you'll see it wasnt soo bad at predicted. "

Butch wrote on Jun 27, 2007 10:07 PM:

" If they aren't Satanist...they need to revamp their websites. They say much about judging...however, the scriptures tells to watch the fruit that a tree produces...the fruit that these people present is anything but wholesome..... "

Sarah wrote on Jun 27, 2007 8:46 PM:

" Read this article..it hits the nail on the head for us....AWESoME (see below) http://www.beginin.com/May%202007%20Daily%20Register%20II.pdf "

Capt.Masse wrote on Jun 27, 2007 5:27 PM:

" As the Cmdr for Dist 22, Il State Police with almost 30 yrs of police experience, I must comment that it would be irresponsible for the ISP NOT to plan for the worst and hope for the best. I've worked plenty of festivals, and large events having worked 24 yrs in the Chicagoland area. I believe if you check with the residents and hogrock attendees you will find that the ISP was fair to everybody. We enforced the law but didn't single out or harass anybody. I was thanked by both residents and attendees for our conduct, actions and high visibility. I hope that everybody comes here in the right frame of mind & attitude. If so, you should have a good time, if not, we will do what we are sworn by oath to do. Stay safe. "

Truth wrote on Jun 27, 2007 12:15 PM:

" Lets face it there best song was about a tilt-a-wheel ride. There are far worse bands to have play. "

Steve S. wrote on Jun 27, 2007 9:14 AM:

" Judging just from their picture, not a group I want in my backyard. Halloween maybe. "

Bluntsworth wrote on Jun 27, 2007 8:45 AM:

" Hahaha, you can't stop us. Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamily!!!!! "

ONE-SIDED wrote on Jun 27, 2007 8:30 AM:

" Caleb Hale says his article is one-sided because he couldn't get a hold of the other side? That is pitiful journalism, Caleb. It seems that the Southern is getting better and better at making excuses instead of doing the job right. I wonder why? "

Angel wrote on Jun 27, 2007 7:59 AM:

" Once again the thought of a "rock" concert has officials worried.Instead of calling in and exagerated amount of police force why don't you join in old man take your shirt off let the faygo take you away.I'm not even a juggalette and I find it quite enjoyable that a bunch of "god fearin' christians" are trying to ruin the gathering.Let these people have fun.F.Y.I. the police only make angry people more angry so do yourself a favor Mista government and stay out of it go back to allowing hate on our streets and violence towards our women go back to your war in iraq. Sincerely, Angel "

Just Sayin' wrote on Jun 27, 2007 7:28 AM:

" Amazing what people will do in the name of "God." This ministerial alliance is on a power trip. Do your research. Satanic cults do not exist. Did they really think people would be gathering to sacrifice virgins or small animals? Did they think they would gather to bring Satan to earth? Good Lord! Get a grip! I remember being told, in the 70's, that the musical Jesus Christ Superstar would send people to hell in droves. If you want to influence people get out among them and quit being so STUPID. "

Jack wrote on Jun 27, 2007 7:14 AM:

" It's not about feared violance at all, it's about preachers controling peoples thoughts and actions. They've had free reign to do it for years, but people are starting to think for themselves, and fight back. "

biker joe wrote on Jun 27, 2007 6:39 AM:

" I think Tim York should respect the wishes of the community. They have tolerated Hog Rock up to this point, but that could end if he goes against the wishes of the community on this. ALL future events at Hog Rock could be in jeopardy if this event goes forward. These people will move on and find another place, but can Tim? "

Pat wrote on Jun 27, 2007 5:45 AM:

" Eve houh I don't live in that area, I still do not want this kind of satanic activity going on. The devil is clearly trying to just walk right in. If we let this go on we are in trouble. satan controls the world now. This is like saying ,come on in.This big city cult needs to go back to the big city and stay there. This will definetly impact all of southern Il. We need to pray hard to keep this out of the area. Just another way for this kind of activity o jus walk in. As christians we need to come together and pray. We need to come together and stand up to this in the name of Jesus. "

Amanda wrote on Jun 27, 2007 1:38 AM:

" If these country folk have such a problem with the gathering take place then they should actually see what it is about before they are so quick to judge! Woodstock was way worse back in the 60's and 70's and people act no different in Cancun or what not! I cannot believe how people can sit there and know nothing about the actual love that goes on during the Gathering, to the Lo's and Lette's this is their version of a Family Reunion! "

Local HogROCKER!! wrote on Jun 27, 2007 12:04 AM:

" Damn word count... Seriously these folks have been hosting events for now 10yrs and with the help of the Illinois State Police things have been well kept under control. I seriously think everyone needs to be giving more kudos here to our home boys. (ISP) I think if they can handle some 40k bikers they can damn sure handle some of the same that listen to the music and some younger aged kids. Do any of you understand how the economics of a city/county work? These people screw up, guess what they are paying your crew for you!! Are you all seriously that uneducated that you don't understand these concepts!! It brings REVENUE... look it up you don't have to be an economics major to understand these principles. I seriously think alot of people need to put down their bible here and pick up a damn dictionary, or GO BACK TO SCHOOL.. Churches aren't educating you, your children... they aren't paying your property taxes, they aren't bringing REVENUE to your town. No instead they are just another transient with their damn hands out, with a flippin' roof over their head because YOU put it there!! GET REAL PEOPLE! I will go to this concert with friends that are law abiding, god fearing citizens just like I am. Tom if your reading this I need at least four tickets please. The rest of you.. Stop trying to violate these peoples amendment rights and MINE! "

GoodKid wrote on Jun 26, 2007 11:37 PM:

" The gathering will be no more rowday than hawg rocks BIKER RALLIES and there HIPPIE FEST. "

Unreal wrote on Jun 26, 2007 10:25 PM:

" Three things really bother me about this. Whatever happened to the FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION, THE RIGHT TO PEACEFUL ASSEMBLY, and THE SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE? Those opposed to this simply don't like the format. If it was a bunch of country or gospel acts it would be OK. I can't believe that the good minister is now asking that all local businesses close for the three days of the gathering so that the participants can't buy food, beverages, toiletries, medicines, or gasoline. That is a fine example of some wonderful CHRISTIANS loving their BROTHERS. This is why there is nothing in southern IL and never will be. The Ben Franklin quote is priceless and says it all. "

wickedAXEjuggalette wrote on Jun 26, 2007 10:20 PM:

" People who listen to this kind of music, I personally think are more friendly. We understand each other and aren't fake. We would never turn our back on one another either. We aren't evil, It's all about a quest to heaven (Shang-ri-la). I think people are over reacting about something that hasn't even happened. Judge it after. We are pretty peaceful, and we treat everyone at this gathering as family. "

juggaletteMCL wrote on Jun 26, 2007 10:10 PM:

" there music is not satanic they actually follow god.. for the people that didn't know "

Dank Master Redd wrote on Jun 26, 2007 10:01 PM:

" From: Master Redd No person shall be ... deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law .... due process of law) is the principle that the government must respect all of a person's legal rights instead of just some or most of those legal rights when the government deprives a person of life, liberty, or property. "

Axewarrior91 wrote on Jun 26, 2007 9:57 PM:

" This is the kinda stuff that pisses everyone off. These people have proably only heard maybe one song and didn't understand what it's all about. This is the same thing they did with manson after columbine at Ozzfest. "

N-Sane wrote on Jun 26, 2007 9:41 PM:

" Judge not that ye be not judged. All you so called religious figures, only abide be the good book when it's convenient, and when it lifts you up. All these fans Gather together at this event, and fellowship. They could be out gangbanging, or selling drugs, but no, they gather in a remote location and celebrate life. and you want to take the from them? I'll pray for you. I don't agree with you but I understand. I just hope that you could open your minds, and see the truth. ~Keep it Real~ "

Kaitlyn wrote on Jun 26, 2007 9:37 PM:

" This is not right, Whether the lyrics are violent or not doesnt matter. What about what other rappers? They sing about the same thing, It has nothing to do with violece. It's a form of music that most everybody listiens too. Stopping this event is not right. If you took the time to understand us then you could say something. But other then that, I think this is wrong. If you do this, It will cause way more problems anyways. You need to take this into concideration. This is our way of life and stopping this event is messing with what we believe in. Thats like stopping church on sunday for people. It's wrong. "

shaun wrote on Jun 26, 2007 9:35 PM:

" I have taken great disrespect from this, it makes me sick that u could try to judge me and these fans for what they listen too!sayin there associated with violence and Satanism. thats bull ive been listen to them for many yrs, and have never had any of these thoughts , thats like sayin we should band churches for all the sick stuff that has happend to some poor kids but no , cant blame the whole for what a few might have done ok i can understand cant say there wont be some trouble makes but to hold back the whole because a few thats just wrong if that was the case then what we do about the churches, himm i geuss only the ingorent could judge but only god can judge me ! dont blame the whole for a select few and what u might think or what u might have heard. Shaun "

Juggalette Jackie wrote on Jun 26, 2007 9:35 PM:

" how about you get some real facts to support your article hmm? Ever read about the 2006 Gathering in Ohio? Didn't think so. The residents in towns around where the gathering was were scared too. But did anything happen? No. They were actually impressed with how nice we are. So just chill out man & stop bein so judgemental. "

Kyle Raccio wrote on Jun 26, 2007 8:38 PM:

" Just another example of conservatives trying to shove free speech to the drain. Don't like the group, don't go to the concert. It's not a hard concept. Quit trying to run other people's lives. "

Dank Master Redd wrote on Jun 26, 2007 8:13 PM:

" All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. "

G.I. THE 503 JUGGALO wrote on Jun 26, 2007 8:07 PM:

" I TRULY FEEL SRRY FOR YOUR LACK OF UNDERASTANDING ON OUR FAMILY UNITY!! RELIGION SHOULD BE BASED OFF OF GOD NOT FANATACISM AND THE PERVERTED BELIEF IN GOD!! YOU HAVE TO LOOK DOWN ON AND SO QUICKLY JUDGE OTHERS!! I PITTY YALL TRULY...MCL AND RESPECT TO ALL FAM 4 LIFE "

charletto_00 wrote on Jun 26, 2007 7:51 PM:

" I think that is so stupid why do they care.if you dont like it dont be a part of it.I do believe this is america and you are free correct get a life people.its a concert not some kind of war. "

pattie wrote on Jun 26, 2007 7:21 PM:

" Treat them with respect and just maybe they'll treat us with respect. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Who knows,this may even turn out to be great for So. IL. We are trying to boost tourism, aren't we? This group of people might just prove to us, and others, that just because you don't like their image, it doesn't mean they're not good people. Just like everyone else in this world, there are always the ones that spoil things for everyone else. They at least deserve a chance to prove one way or the other whether or not they should be welcome in our area. If things run smooth, then maybe it could be a boost for us. If not, we can let them know in no uncertain terms that they are not welcome here. "

Jerry The Juggalo wrote on Jun 26, 2007 6:15 PM:

" We Have NEVER AND I SAY NEVER Harrased the community we hold our gathering at we are respectful to every place outside of the place we stage it at and bring revinue and money to the community when we buy our supplies such as water food and ect. at the local stores. AND "WE ARE NOT SATINIST BY ANY MEANS" I do Belive that is slander by putting that in the paper "

Juggalotus4eva wrote on Jun 26, 2007 6:09 PM:

" its the same everywhere. I'm not going to join the rant... Just want to say this.... He who judges will then be judged. MCL GOTJ FTW! "

Tyson wrote on Jun 26, 2007 5:53 PM:

" HAHAHA what a joke!!!! They dont want the band here cause they may promote violence, yet and I quote "we're a bunch of country boys here, so they might have bitten off more than they can chew." What an idiot.... "

goaway wrote on Jun 26, 2007 5:51 PM:

" I think the KKK started the same way; dressing up like idiots to hide yourself and then preaching hate. I am not a religious person and now live up north in Chicago, but even we think you guys are oddballs up here, so don't blame the small towners for your ineptitudes. Yes, life is being an individual, but you should be one that you can be proud of for your skills and accomplishments. You can only avoid the real world for so long, boys and girls. "

JuggaletteJessie wrote on Jun 26, 2007 5:14 PM:

" This is ridiculous. They obviously need to listen to Thy Wraith: Shangri La "

Mr Wade Wilson wrote on Jun 26, 2007 5:08 PM:

" Interesting that you hae nothing to say from here from the promoters for the event. You realize York is probably under contract not to talk to the press? And yet you made no efforts to contact Psychopathic for your article, and get the scoop from them. Quality reporting there! "

miss juggalette wrote on Jun 26, 2007 5:05 PM:

" wow that blows and when they say that theres violence ant the gathering ..i mean why would we fight are self? right? "

KC wrote on Jun 26, 2007 5:03 PM:

" I don't think we need tourism dollars that bad. I suggest another state ! "

CRAZYLO wrote on Jun 26, 2007 4:55 PM:

" first off, violent jay and shaggy both dont support lo's and lette's going off and commiting crimes, they sing about there life and many of us can understand where there comming from, 2 this whole thing about satenism thats bs, not in any of there songs do they promote satinism, they talk about getting to shangri-la not hell so mabey you should take a chance and listen to there music and understand the messages behind the cussin and violence and see there just 2 guys who r relating to people and given us insparation. "

anon wrote on Jun 26, 2007 4:42 PM:

" Johnny Cash shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die. Violent lyrics are nothing new. "

Frankly, wrote on Jun 26, 2007 4:23 PM:

" frank Sinatra concerts are not the draw they used to be. "

sydney aiken wrote on Jun 26, 2007 4:05 PM:

" i like their music and for all the churchgoers out there i am a devout christian. listen to their song the unveiliing. you might just be suprised. "

Juggalette Jingles wrote on Jun 26, 2007 4:03 PM:

" Besides, even if the lyrics really were satanic, the nation is supposed to permit different religious beliefs. Am I not right? Just because one religion complains.... "

C.H. wrote on Jun 26, 2007 3:41 PM:

" It's a mad house! A mad house!!! "

cyanide wrote on Jun 26, 2007 3:36 PM:

" i would just like to thank the ppl that are at least some what supportive of us although the name calling isnt needed. we arent coming there to destroy your community or vandalize local business. for the most part a large percentage of us only leave the grounds to go to stores so that we dont pay outrageous food prices. we are there to get away from our everyday problems not to cause more. just give us a chance before u condemn us. "

Tom m wrote on Jun 26, 2007 3:23 PM:

" Also we do beleave in god. So from the heart in your souls. let us be & we will let you guys be. God bless everyone. "

wow wrote on Jun 26, 2007 3:08 PM:

" You people scare me. I'm not religious, but do you have any concept of how the real world works? You people write some of the scariest emails I have ever read, and I am only 22. "

Crazy Juggalette wrote on Jun 26, 2007 3:04 PM:

" The reason why you guys want this to stop is because you think that their music is bad which it's not bad. Those that listen to their music...can relate to them because we know what it's like to be outcasts, to be a no body and if you can judge them by how they look and how their music is....keep your mouth shut. Haven't you people heard of the old sayin: "Don't judge a book by it's cover?" If you cant follow by that rule....then don't say anything at all. We don't go around judging other people by what they listen....so don't do the same thing to us. These religious aspects have got to stop cuz it's getting on my last nerve. "

THA BIG RED JUGGALO wrote on Jun 26, 2007 2:57 PM:

" well to start off, we are NOT satanists. We found our way to lead us to the light of shangri la (HEAVEN) NOT the flaming gates of hell so, for the Alliance Vice President Greg Degrave, pastor of Levee Pond Church in Cave-In-Rock, say we are followers what is he, he is a follower of GOD right, my question to all of you who reading this why is he so willing to judge us when that is GOD'S right not his so, what we dress different ,we look different ,we act different but THANK YOU TO VIOLENT J AND SHAGGY 2 DOPE for helping me realize that my life,my family,my new beginning of life that we all have to share together for now will be jugde in front of GOD and what everyone wants to hear or believe. "

Chillijuggalo wrote on Jun 26, 2007 2:49 PM:

" we r just a big fam tryin to have our yearly reunion and everyone tries to stop it we dont get together and tell christains where, when, and how they can worship so why r they doin it to us every year we all r behind GOD and he is behind us al the way we just worship in a different ways in our music and if everyone was the same life would be so boring MCL Peace, Love, and Respect "

Lette Lottie wrote on Jun 26, 2007 2:24 PM:

" I see no point in trying to punish people for something you think they are going to do. "

Serena wrote on Jun 26, 2007 2:20 PM:

" Why don't you check out the articles that were posted last year AFTER the gathering- in OH, residents were worried, BUT NOTHING HAPPENED, the people were shocked at how polite were really were- when people are polite to us. we keep our fun & games on the campsite. we don't want anymore problems to bring police than the next person. and to say it's b/c of lyrics? why not say its b/c of stupid/ignorant people-wait....sounds more like the guy trying to stop it. DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY YOUR LITTLE TOWN IS ABOUT TO GET FOR HAVING THIS GATHERING THERE??? get over it. "

jeffalo wrote on Jun 26, 2007 2:09 PM:

" , we have nothing to do with satan, in fact we hate him, and in fact i am a believer in jesus christ as my savior, i will be @ the gathering in HOG ROCK, and you will not stop us. god bless you all, may jesus help u find warmth and welcoming in your heart, dont believe everything you hear! we love eachother and do not like to fight! "

juggalo joey wrote on Jun 26, 2007 1:53 PM:

" why you dissin on MY FAMILY PSYCHOPATHIC RECORDS there all believe in god. and whats up with the law always dissin people or bands who listenin to PSYCHOPATHIC RECORDS, metal, punk, or any underground artists?? SCREW THE GOVERNMENT!! MMFWFCL "

juggalette pride til i die wrote on Jun 26, 2007 1:45 PM:

" it's our choice to live the way we want to live and no one has a right to judge noone of us and i think its a bunch of bull that we are being judged AND DOWN GRATED and that we are being call satanized..knowing we're not it just pisses me off to know u got a bunch of adults acting like 5 year olds over the gathering ... "

txl2q wrote on Jun 26, 2007 1:40 PM:

" I'm young and love a good time like anyone else, but I hate this Hogrock crap. I hate how it demoralizes women...contest like painted breasts and nudity, it is exploitation...and York outta be ashamed of himself. I hope they shut him down for THAT alone. "

juggalette pride til i die wrote on Jun 26, 2007 1:37 PM:

" it's the way we live it's our choice but who are they to judge and say it's wrong... "

Snoopy wrote on Jun 26, 2007 1:35 PM:

" I'm a native of Hardin County and I've seen the pics of Hogrock, they act like a bunch of savages. I'm pretty liberal, but you couldn't pay me to go to that skankfest! "

kayla wrote on Jun 26, 2007 1:31 PM:

" thats not fair they labled us satinized and we're not and they think just cuz of they music that we listen too that we are violent and satan loveing and thats nothing but a bunch of bull of ya.. "

JuggaletteC wrote on Jun 26, 2007 1:05 PM:

" This is ****en stupied. let them play their. "

V. Ryan wrote on Jun 26, 2007 1:04 PM:

" Think of how much money this event is going to bring to the local economy. The actual location is quite far from Cave-in-Rock, and is in a rural, isolated area. Local residents may have to deal with two or three days of tattooed freaks driving around and buying up all the beer at the grocery store, but that seems like a small price to pay for the boost this event will bring to the So. Illinois tourism industry. "

Jake Jeckel wrote on Jun 26, 2007 1:03 PM:

" I had this same problem in NY when a religious group tried to stop Slipknot & Slayer from playin, sayin their lyrics were satanic and violent and that the music would insight riots.The concert went on,and guess wut?? NOTHIN HAPPENED!!!!!So the moral of this story is stop your freakin worryin and get over it.Nothin is gonna happen and the community will wind up makin a ton o $$$ from this.You want your community to prosper and give your kids betterlearning facilities?Then have more concerts from a broad range of bands.You are guaranteed to make decent money with them and it all goes to the community.So what's the big problem??? "

Lil 'Lette wrote on Jun 26, 2007 12:43 PM:

" wow what the hell is your problem? as long as we're not bothering you and meesing up you 'perfect', i dont think it should matter! everyone is entitled to their own opinons and maybe you need to open up and see what this is really about instead of just saying no.. "

Orange_Ninjette wrote on Jun 26, 2007 12:42 PM:

" I dont't think they should stop the gathering from coming over there. Thats ridicilous. These people from illonois are being very sterotypical and there isnt violence at all. You wouldnt stop a country concert from coming there why stop the gathering??? "

Monica wrote on Jun 26, 2007 12:35 PM:

" I have attended 5 of these annual gatherings and it is obvious that there is unreasonable judgement being passed here. In a few days it will be over and no one is going to harm you. We are there to have a good time and meet with other people. It is normal to be curious about what you do not understand but to judge our way of life is out of the question. The big guy up stairs does not see your judgements and criticism as good deeds but rather wickedness in a different shape. Let us have our fun! "

Music, Music Music wrote on Jun 26, 2007 11:37 AM:

" The cleregy never see the log in their own eye. You bet the idea is to make money. Just like churches make money and the cleregy takes a healthy cut. Who are they to complain. Have you seen some of the music shows churches put on; people gyrating every which way, eyes rolled back in their heads, hands waving like the Queen in a motor cade. I even saw a Deacon roll down and ilse flopping like a fish. In fact, my advise would be for those ministers to put on their own show and compete in our free market society! Who knows, they may even get a convert or two. Again here is a religious group who want the freedon to worship and believe as they wish but would denie others the very freedom they have. Let freedom ring. "

no name wrote on Jun 26, 2007 11:32 AM:

" Remember Elvis? He was suppose to be the down fall of sexual morals in the late 50's. Pastors warned of hell fire, civilization was suppose to crumble. Sounds so interesting this 63 year old grandmother just might go. Rock on kids. "

confused wrote on Jun 26, 2007 11:25 AM:

" The local churches should welcome them, is it not their job to try to spread gods word? Not to run out people they dont see fit to be in there town. "

Who Cares? wrote on Jun 26, 2007 10:55 AM:

" Who'd want to go see these bums anyway? You call this music? You call this entertainment. I say, as long as they don't hurt anybody or tear up anything, let them congregate. If they cause problems, don't let them come back again. "

Trashy Supporters wrote on Jun 26, 2007 10:54 AM:

" Sounds like some people who are not FROM Southern Illinois are weighing in as favoring this trash. By the way, it would likely create a lot of real problems on our highways and country roads with additional trash - liter - strewn along the roadside. Are the profit makers willing to pay for the additional trash pick up in our region off their private property? I doubt it. Just one more reason to say NO to this crazy - or is that "insane"? - planned venture. Shall we who live here say that we used to enjoy a beautiful drive down to Cave in Rock? I hope not. For many of us who JUST HAPPEN TO LIVE HERE! the push for anything commercial and touristy isn't necessarily worth it. Let's all go to the Miner's games and perhaps this thing could be moved to the new ballpark in Marion, where more police presence could manage the crowds. But then again, this would not make money for the "right" folks, would it? "

Juggalette 4 life wrote on Jun 26, 2007 10:09 AM:

" just leave them alone!! Its the way they live.It shouldnt matter its none of your buissness.If you dont want to have anything to do with it just dont go. "

former saluki wrote on Jun 26, 2007 9:24 AM:

" Degrave is the epitome of typical southern illinois mentality. I moved away to make more money. There are times I would like to move back to be closer to family, but comments like Degrave's make me think otherwise. "

Elizabeth wrote on Jun 26, 2007 9:03 AM:

" Everyday I hear promote tourism in SO IL but here is a chance and now they are complaining. Don't judge people by the type of music they listen to. It would be different if they had been here before and caused issues but they haven't. "

platform puma wrote on Jun 26, 2007 8:08 AM:

" seems like a one-sided article, caleb. any attempt to get more story from someone other than degrave? why this place? yawn. "

Be prepared wrote on Jun 26, 2007 7:53 AM:

" "I think it's more rowdy than violent, but they do sing violent lyrics and that's got us concerned. Most of the places they've been before have been pretty big communities; here it's pretty rural and we've got a small police force," If one were to look at vioolent lyrics....well that spans most of the genres. Being a "bunch of country boys" one would think this lyric thing wouldmt even be an issue. Country-cheatin lieing drinking divorce- Driving semis through a hotel room ala Garth. Jazz/swing/big band- sounds smooth but murderous-Mac the kinfe. Rock- Start at elvis and come on into the present rock has been evil since the Pelvis days. Rap-Not alwyas but tons of violence, equal to the previous genre but not greater than. Folk- ok, pass, but not exempt...yet See so using the lyric thing is prety unimaginative. Saying its because of the number of people attending, better way to state it as with the increase of number the increase of possible problems. All big crowds have a few. Just remmy, sticks and stones....WORDS can never hurt me. Say no to language POLICE!!!! NO NO NO NO- "

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