psychopathic wrote on Dec 13, 2007 9:38 AM:
" we are a family and you will never stop us "
Weston of Texas wrote on Oct 30, 2007 11:51 PM:
" I understand the worry for the community that is showed throuh the churches, and all the organizations through out the town. Its completely understandable, the only thing, is you cant catagorize eveyone the same, if you do that, sometimes actions are taken against people that dont deserve it, while the ones who do, go free. I personally, as a christian, this group has helped me in many ways. Realised there is punishment for your actions, and also to be myself. not to act like someoe or something im not to please other people, im a christian, im a juggalo, there a message ofmorals behind most the songs, sure you can find songs that have no moral meaning or messages, but to hate on one group when so much other music has the same, but no message...ever...concider most hiphop, promoting money, exploitation of women, greed, fame and fortune of morals and religion. all im saying, as a juggalo planning on attending, it wont get out of hand, not everyone sees things as i do, not everyone will, causing problems for an activity wont help the situation. I dont like how fellow people that claim juggalo are also the ones that promote and cause senseless violence, robbery, murder, or any criminal activity and claim juggalo because it puts down the whole lo of us, and MOST juggalos are peaceful people.
God Bless you all
and Much Love
have an open mind people, there is no defacing of property, business or religiously
Much Love
Weston "
this has to be said wrote on Sep 25, 2007 1:00 PM:
" ATTENTION JUGGALO + LETTES
The family has to stop fighting, somewhere during all this fuss we lost the message. Love for all juggalo not matter who you are. Us fightin amongst ourselves gives people reason to judge us before they know us. Thats why when people hear juggalo they assume it's something bad. Don't give that satisfaction. MMFWCL "
Juggalo4lifeBrittany wrote on Sep 25, 2007 12:46 PM:
" Religion has nothing to do with it. So some may not go to church, there for you assume we dont understand. But have you ever had the chills because the church touched you that much? If the church does that for you and makes you feel great fair enough but dont condem us for what we believe in and what makes us feel part of something. You're are part of church.. we are part of the Juggalo family and our family will never desert us.
JUGGALOS FOR LIFE! "
JUGGALETTE69 wrote on Sep 21, 2007 9:21 PM:
" INSANE CLOWN POSSE WILL NEVER DIE WE RIDE TILL WE DIE DRINKIN OUR FAYGO AND PATYING "
Brandon L wrote on Sep 10, 2007 11:28 AM:
" Juggalos are miss understood. ICP are a miss understood group who are judged by those who have never actually listened to them. So I would appreciate it if those priests and cops would back off and listen to what is actually being said. Peace and Love your Juggalo B.L. "
DISCOURAGING wrote on Sep 6, 2007 3:57 PM:
" It is so discouraging to see the number of people who cannot spell, punctuate and even write the most simple sentence. How did these people get past grade school? Are our school systems simply passing students to the next grade to get rid of them? Capitalizing the first word of a sentence and ending it with a period is ELEMENTARY, yet many of those who post here can't even accomplish that. And they have high school (even grade school) diplomas? Sad. "
cyanide wrote on Sep 6, 2007 2:07 PM:
" do u ppl not understand the term per capita? is that what is causing so much trouble? blah blah blah filth and violence thats all u ever have to say but the simple fact is this, its music, if sum1 cant tell the difference between reality and fantasy and act based on music they hear maybe just maybe they need some real help. ive listened to icp for years now and never once have i killed or raped anyone so stop using it as an excuse. its old and has been played out by every generation when something new comes along. also how exactly did icps website start anything considering the only ppl allowed to post on the official site are the webmasters? show me one place on their site where they attack h.c or its residents. oh yea and when i say their website i mean insaneclownposse.com not just some random site. "
guru wrote on Sep 5, 2007 5:41 PM:
" Cyanide, what are you, the guru of ICP? If so, you have some serious problems. "
so what wrote on Sep 5, 2007 3:13 PM:
" So what cyanide. As long as you can support filth and violence like ICP, you will be attacked. I read the postings and Owen said his county did not have a serious meth problem. But, when it was pointed out that stats showed his entire state had a very seious meth problem, as well as coke, heroin, etc. then he lost credibility with me, and I just read these. For the record, your little clown heroes started this whole thing with their own website from fans knocking our area before it even hit the papers. Quit the whining and quit acting all offended. "
cyanide wrote on Sep 5, 2007 1:39 PM:
" wow everyone is attacking owen huh? nice ppl real nice. ive read everything that has been posted and not once did owen say his county was perfect but per capita h.c is worse. get over it. im sure someone will say your not from here so just so u know i live in marengo illinois so i have a pretty good idea of whats goin on. just admit that the problems exsisted before we even showed up and stop hating all of us for the stupidity of the few. i was nothing but nice to ppl from the beginning of this and all i was told is that im unwanted and bitter, i was verbal attacked and called names that i havent been called since i was in elementary school. "
mandy wrote on Sep 3, 2007 5:32 PM:
" Oh, OK, Owen you are the voice of reason. Why do you feel it is just the overwhelming people of this area who did not want you here who are spewing out garbage? Have you seen the insane postings YOUR GROUPIES put out? They are monsterous, insane, and enough to make a normal, civilized person sick. You have crazies making the most irrational unfounded uneducated statements ever seen, yet you in your pompous role of self appointed voice of reason refuse to acknowledge that. You think, as all of your hypocritical clown freaks do, that WE are to blame for your bad life. WE are not, and not one fact have you intelligently refuted. Aren't you the one who tried to tell everyone that you come from some sort of nirvana, with no drug problem, and then we read facts about how bad YOUR area actually is, so bad it makes any county in Illinos pale by comparison? I am so fed up with the hypocrisy and judgmental clown people. "
ogre wrote on Sep 3, 2007 5:29 PM:
" To Owen, I say that the vast majority of your people have been nothing but negative towards us and that began well before these postings began. You and your crew have been the most ungracious lot of people to see these parts. You acted like louts while you were here, now you are blaming us for the tragedy that occurred, and you STILL keep up your attacks. You people seem to think that HC is the only county in the world with some sort of meth problem and you have been exposed by others as being a fraud yourself. So, pardon if I do not think you are reasonable. And your crowd does not just casually come in and try to drink a few beers and watch a band. The news stories have confirmed that a long time ago. So please cut the innocent act, and join the hypocrisy spewing forth from your band. "
Owen wrote on Sep 1, 2007 10:37 AM:
" To Yeah Sure, Thank you. I'm trying to make points (and usually counterpoints) to all of the unfounded garbage that gets spewed out on here. So many of the posters here are trying to depict juggalos as a single minded army of junkie degenerates hell bent on destroying the world and recruiting everyone's children. Some of us really are productive members of polite society with no other intention in your area than to see some bands and drink some beers. "
sort of wrote on Aug 31, 2007 6:29 PM:
" Well, Owen may have been nice, but he had his facts wrong. I don't have anything against anyone, but he was out there stating that his holy county in New York did not have a meth problem and HC did, when someone or more than one people, did the research and found out that was not true, which made me question anything he had to say. Be careful when you accuse people of things because in this day and age, everything can be researched, like the coke, heroin, pot and meth problem prevalent all over NY. "
HUH wrote on Aug 27, 2007 10:31 PM:
" no we were not going to rip off the promoters they are the experts. MCL? where was MCL? $50.00 for a 12 pk of water? $8 for bag of ice? $150 to swelter in the summer heat? Priceless! "
wicked clownz wrote on Aug 25, 2007 4:06 PM:
" why was the deal with the promoters for 30,000 when the HC police stated that it cost 15,000 for the extra help,what was the intentions for the other 15,000,hmmmmm,u was trying to rip off our promoters werent you, "
WENDY wrote on Aug 25, 2007 1:48 AM:
" KEWL,SWINGERS CAMP,I WOULD SPEND MY SUMMERS THERE,BET THAT WOULD ROLL IN BIG BUCKS ALSO,SOMETHING TO SERIOUSLY THINK ABOUT,MR YORK,you might have to put up high fences so the HC residents couldnt peek at us like peeping toms ,or perhaps you can hire the HC residents to work so they can see first hand instead of ASSUMING EVERYTHING "
ignoring wrote on Aug 24, 2007 3:31 PM:
" Plain and simple, why weren't the media OR cops allowed on the grounds? I have been to plenty of events on private grounds, and all were open to media/cops. This is the only event that it has not. We know the cops were not allowed on because that would have resulted in about 2000 arrests for drugs, public indecency, rape, etc. I guess the media then would have been able to show it and you could no longer deny just how evil you are. "
Idea wrote on Aug 24, 2007 6:41 AM:
" Maybe York could hold a swingers camp... Go York!!!!! "
Owen wrote on Aug 24, 2007 3:49 AM:
" My reply for this from yesterday wasn't posted, but as for the media being disallowed, I really don't know why. Probably for the same reason you don't want video cameras in your home. Seems like a privacy issue. We've already stated that there's drug use at the gathering(just like everywhere else). And the event videos are publicly available on youtube so I really don't see what they have to hide at this point. I'm honestly not sure why media wasn't allowed but I can understand the owner of a private property not wanting cameramen around. "
Yeah, Sure wrote on Aug 22, 2007 11:50 PM:
" Owen, just like Cyanide, you have failed at seeing the point. As for my telling Cyanide that I don't have to abide what he says, he was the one that stated that I could drop my argument. Sorry, but who made him boss? No superiority complex here, but I won't be told what to do, either. In fact, I would go so far as to say that Cyanide, by his stating first that I could drop it, was showing HIS superiority complex.
As for "here's your answer" regarding the media, it's called freedom of the press, and if it's a newsworthy event the press has a right to cover it. Had they decided to press the issue to a court order, they would no doubt have been granted access. I was a reporter for tv/radio stations for 10 years, so I know of what I speak, because I have been down that road before, and I was granted access to cover an event. Apparently the local press decided that it wasn't worth their time to bother, though. And, in all honesty, had the general public seen what actually went on on the grounds, there probably would have been more of an outcry from the Hardin County folks than there was, so it may be just as well. "
Owen wrote on Aug 22, 2007 10:51 AM:
" To 'Yeah, Sure': Pointing out that you don't have to do as Cyanide says was really immature and is indicative of a narcissistic superiority complex . Point two, a LOT of Hardin County residents declared that they 'hoped we all burned' and such even before we arrived. I'd call that hate. Point three, Cyanide wasn't ignorant, 'blinded,' or trying to mislead you when he said the police were disallowed in order to "avoid conflict." The riot that ensued in Peoria was caused by a police officer attempting to make a wrongful arrest when a girl flashed her breasts(which while potentially indecent is perfectly legal as long as her genitalia is covered). "
point wrote on Aug 22, 2007 9:19 AM:
" You guys promised to be orderly and not break the laws and no matter how you try to spin it, YOU FAILED. And we will decide what we want to write, mr. cyanide, so don't think you establish the rules here. Oh, i realize you were all framed by the cops and none of it was your fault, that goes without saying. And, I know drug arrests are "minor" to you. Funny, you think drug arrests are minor, then you turn around and criticze a meth problem that infects the entire country. Interesting. Well, we can only thank the Lord you are in no position of leadership in our schools or our country. Attitudes like that are why this nation has so many problems, because people like you are willing to overlook issues that affect you. "
To: Jason wrote on Aug 21, 2007 1:24 PM:
" Update yourself. At the last minute, organizers of the event denied police access to the grounds. The local sheriff said his staff WOULD come on the grounds if the department received a 911 call. One member of the press (who would actually WANT to cover this event) was told he would have a pass then organizers also backed out on that promise. These changes were made due to Mr. Tim York, private property owner, encouraging them to do otherwise. Mr. York said he never paid for any of that during his Hog Rock gatherings. "
talk not wrote on Aug 21, 2007 11:10 AM:
" Jason you are wrong. The cops initially were extended to come in, and then your heroes pulled the invitation. Get your facts straight. And what are you trying to hide with the media? You are all so proud of your drug induced stupor out there listening to your hate band, well, show the world what you are so proud of. Come one. Only those who are afraid do not let public scrutiny in. Nice job of covering your tracks. When all of you mature a little, you will realize this. "
Owen wrote on Aug 21, 2007 10:29 AM:
" Hardin County residents and a few churches in particular were the ones who called for all the extra police protection, so YOU GUYS get the bill. And it's a darn good thing you had all those extra police officers around or else there would be seatbeltless people with air fresheners running amuck! "
cyanide wrote on Aug 21, 2007 9:24 AM:
" hmmm lets see 500 traffic citations that were mostly handed out on a road where they knew we would all be. stop trying to make a big deal about it cause most of the citations were for seatbelts so u can just drop that arguement right there. as far as why we didnt want police hmmm lets see could it be that we wanted to avoid conflict? who cares about the press, in past years we have let the press in so maybe this is an issue u should take up with mr. york. what i dont seem to understand is if u all hate us and what we do so much why do u care what we do? did it cause u or your family any harm? cause i sure know that the shady actions of some ppl caused alot of harm to some of us. "
Shana wrote on Aug 20, 2007 7:58 AM:
" Bev, you want to talk about hypocritical and judgemental? How about talking about you and the people of your town. Did you meet anyone attending the Gathering? I did graduate high school-9 years ago. I am a stay at home mom to 3 beautiful little girls. My husband works 60+ hours per week so that I can stay home with our children. We have never been on welfare or had any help from the state or government. I would not lable myself as anything except a woman, mother and a wife. I understand where you are coming from I am from a small town and I am sure the Gathering would have gotten the same response if it would have been held where we are from. I do think it was disrespectful to your town that some stop signs were painted on but I also think in a group of 8000 people you will have a few idiots. I do not really care what you think about me or the music I listen to because only God can judge me. If you and the people of your town were real "Christians" you would not be passing judgement on anyone because you would know that is not your place to do so. "
Tonis wrote on Aug 17, 2007 9:20 PM:
" THE KIDS ARE UPSET!! WHATEVER SHALL WE DO TO MAKE THIS UP TO THEM, HARDIN COUNTY? "
Steve S. wrote on Aug 17, 2007 12:09 PM:
" Well,, it's over and they are all gone. Problem is,, who's going to pick up the $15,000 tab it cost Harden Co.? "
To Craay wrote on Aug 17, 2007 12:01 PM:
" Crazy, I am glad that you had a positive experience with them, because I can sure attest to the fact that my family most certainly did not. IT was ugly the crassness we were faced with on several occasions. These were animals. "
FOLKS wrote on Aug 17, 2007 12:00 PM:
" THIS EVENT ENDED LAST MONDAY. WHY ARE WE STILL DEBATING THIS?? CAN WE PLEASE LET GO SO WE CAN GET COMMENTS ON OTHER STORIES THAT MATTER TO US DOWN HERE????? "
Yeah, Sure wrote on Aug 17, 2007 7:58 AM:
" DJ3, you are wrong on more than one count. The Gathering is so small time that it's not even plausible to compare it to other festival type concerts. Cornerstone christian music festival in Bushnell, IL (even smaller than Golconda if you can believe that, but it's true as I've attended Cornerstone more than once) typically has over 20,000 in attendance. That is nearly FOUR times bigger than this year's gathering. On an occasion or two Cornerstone has actually had over 30,000 in attendance. Never has Cornerstone had stories of rampant drug use and vandalism happening like in Hardin County with the Gathering, which is a tiny group of people by comparison. In fact, ALL of the festivals you listed are MUCH, MUCH larger than the Gathering, so comparisons can not really be made. Also, as far as I know and can find out, local police were allowed on the grounds in the other festivals you mentioned, and I know for a fact that they are at Cornerstone. Since that was not the case at the Gathering there is no way to know what the true crime count was. Also, there now has been one confirmed casualty as well, so you are wrong on that count as well. You should get your facts straight before making uninformed statements. It surely does not help your cause when you don't. "
TO DJ3 wrote on Aug 16, 2007 8:40 PM:
" The talk of HC is the drugfest that was witnessed out there. And the fact that you would not allow police or media out there who could tell your story. And we demand to know how one of the fans ended up dead? That is the sickening thing we all associate with you. Do not dare bring your act back here to HC. ONe year of sick poison is enough for us. And there was vandalism, as I can attest to. "
To: I Don't Get It wrote on Aug 16, 2007 7:20 PM:
" You still don't get it. I didn't say anything about your daughter's choice of music nor did I accuse her of being a satan worshipper or a drug user. I said she was in the middle of a dope fest and I stand firm on that. It came directly from someone on the grounds. We cannot condone or excuse illegal drug use. People who use drugs and alcohol excessively venture out on the roadways and that is dangerous to everyone. Drugs kill and main. We've seen it here in our little county and we don't want three, four, five or even one event or gathering in here that excuses it as accepted entertainment in this day and age. "
TO CRAZY wrote on Aug 16, 2007 4:59 AM:
" Well, YOUR "not too sure" because YOU DON'T live here..you WEREN'T the ones being threatned and harassed by these sick people..I am SO SICK of people who don't even live in Hardin COunty and their mighty opinions! If this crap was in YOUR backyard you would feel otherwise..As far as comparing it to Hog Rock..I am against that being here too but these people made hogrock bikers look like grade school kids! All you hear about is THEIR rights and that idiot Tim Yorks rights..Well where is my right not to have to run some person who looks and acts more like an animal than a human off MY PRIVATE PROPERTY and my right to not have to worry about being RUN OFF THE ROAD (YES THAT HAPPENED!) by some drugged up idiot!! This county is too little for that kind of stuff and the ONLY thing that saved us from some MAJOR issues I have no doubt was the strong police presence..KUDOS to the ISP and local law enforcement for the excellent protection you gave us! "
indy_lette wrote on Aug 15, 2007 10:32 AM:
" As it was stated by a person in another post, before you condemn the gathering for its "open drug use" (Which usually consisted of small or personal use amounts of marijuana), you might want to look at the big METH problem in your area. As the other poster stated, "people in glass houses..." "
INSANITY CONTINUES wrote on Aug 14, 2007 8:34 AM:
" THE CHURCH did not stop the insanity of free and open drug use on the grounds where the gathering took place. But the Church did attempt to put a stop to something that is adversely affecting our young people today. If the adults continue to mess up their lives with illegal drug use, so be it. But the young people need guidance and encouragement to act and live otherwise. If the parents won't direct their children away from it (and actually condone it as seen on these posts) then the Church feels an obligation to do something. That is not wishing any of these young people ill or bad will; that is an attempt to protect and guide them. Now, the Church did come on quite strong, and many residents don't agree with the actions of the Church. One thing is for sure. Illegal drug use is on the rise and it runs rampant in gatherings such as these and others. Illegal drug use maims and kills, not only the users, but innocent people in the path of those who use the drugs. We've lost young people to drugs in this small community in recent months and years. It hurts like hell, and there is nothing wrong with not wanting to CONDONE it in our neighborhoods NOR accepting it as good for tourism in our area. Most people don't give a flip about tourism here anyway. They want peace in their lives and in the lives of their children. "
To I don't get it wrote on Aug 12, 2007 10:00 PM:
" If you have a daughter following this psychopath band, God help you, you need it. If I find out ever that my kid is into this band, which I doubt because it is not a real band anyway, I will make sure we sit down and talk about just how evil this is, and if that does not work, I will punish. I will not let my kids touch anything by this sick pathetic loser band that preaches about hopelessnes, evil and despair. You don't like that? TOugh, that's the way it is. Criticize me for the way I raise my kids, go right ahead. That is good parenting and I am sick of those who say it is the kid's decision. You don't like us? Too bad. Stay away, go somewhere you can smoke dope with your kids and break other laws. Don't worry, we will survive. And, I serioulsy doubt that you ever had plans to visit us in Hardin county anyway, so your empty rhetoric does not remotely concern me. "
lovely wrote on Aug 12, 2007 7:19 PM:
" NEXT YEAR, LET'S LISTEN TO THIS DEGRAVE GUY, AND LET'S KEEP THESE HORRID PEOPLE OUT. "
FROM HC wrote on Aug 12, 2007 3:12 AM:
" From what I have seen myself and read on the Southern, so far it has been no big deal. Our law enforcement had no choice but to have alot of back-up because of past experience and alot of talk from one particular church. The video on the southern if any of you watched it said the people were polite. That included a pastor from Keeling Hill standing out in the heat handing out pamplets of God. Also a neighbor, Clarence Dixon, that had no complaints. Also the owner of the old B and B said the only problem he had was with a a couple of people...a state trooper and a local pastor he wished not to name...Wonder who that was. Also, your young people from Levee Pond were talking about doing their security night at church with their [ guns ]...Talk about STUPID!!! "
To I don't get it wrote on Aug 11, 2007 5:21 PM:
" Good, stay out, we never asked them to come here to a tiny community. No one is saying we are better than them, but their behavior, as I can attest to personally from this weekend so far, is boorish, rude, and illegal. IS your daughter one of the tons I have witnessed outside of the property smoking dope? Did you tell her she was allowed to come onto my property with her dope smoking friends in front of my children? Would you want that in your home? You do not understand us here, so you are no more open minded than you say we are not. There are 400 of us here, missy, and there are 8000 of them and they are NOT peaceful. If you could see how they are behaving, as I am right now, you would be most ashamed of your daughter. You worry about your daughter first, and we here can take care of ourselves. We have managed just fine without you and yours for a long time now and will continue to do so. "
wow wrote on Aug 10, 2007 10:49 PM:
" Nice try EMT. Did you really think we were fooled here by a Jugalloo writing a fake email? Desperate times call for desperate measures. "
lim wrote on Aug 10, 2007 10:47 PM:
" Ok, hardin county resident, fine. It is not the music that is being judged here; if you are fine with the message that it is OK to kill, rape, rob, destroy, etc. then that is your perogative, I guess. Because that is what is being advocated here by both the words and actions of the band and its fans. SO, if that is what you are into, wow. "
EMT wrote on Aug 10, 2007 10:43 PM:
" Oh, come on Hardin Co EMT, we can see through your act. First, there are 2 ambulances in the county and one is out there. Second, we would know who you are. Third, you write just like a jugalloo. Nice try, juggy, now get back to your concert. "
Dahlgren wrote on Aug 10, 2007 2:03 PM:
" What happened, are there NO TRUE CHRISTEN'S in Harden County ? They only sound like Bible thumpers to me. "
To Susie wrote on Aug 9, 2007 11:03 AM:
" we are all so glad you are not visiting here, either. Let's get the facts straight here, too. We are open minded here, but when you see what these people do to others and other's property, well, you are not welcome. Susie, dear, that is not being bigoted (?which is not a word that even applies to music), that is being practical and safe. I only hope our reputation is such that none of these hate groups will ever even consider coming here again. "
CHONKY wrote on Aug 8, 2007 3:17 PM:
" THIS GUYS HAS A BRAIN!!
http://www.chicagosuburbannews.com/brookfield/opinions/x1181169552 "
protected wrote on Aug 8, 2007 9:53 AM:
" Isnt there a new gun law for residents of Illinois allowing them to protect their homes? "
Randy wrote on Aug 8, 2007 9:33 AM:
" Why do we in Hardin have to make people feel welcome who do nothing but knock us and have no self redeeming qualities anyway? Their website makes fun of us for having fun with our livestock, etc. Now, that is funny, because I have livestock, and I have a life that is productive. That is far far more than I can say about these street thugs. I'm proud of my life and my living, and it is too bad we have all these misfits angry at society because we do not give them everything they demand. Get over yourselves, pull yourselves up and get over your anger. "
Legroom wrote on Aug 8, 2007 9:27 AM:
" I personally hope not one dollar is spent in our county by these hoodlums. If I make money, I want it to be honest money, not tainted. "
fellow wrote on Aug 7, 2007 6:29 PM:
" So you are here for the carnival. How does it feel to be so unwelcome? I don't apologize for not welcoming you to my home. See, I don't welcome criminals, who have taken advantage of every host they have ever had, who destroy property and hurt the people they do not even know. Every man deserves to be heard, but your actions have already spoken and they are telling us that we do not want you here. "
grady wrote on Aug 7, 2007 6:18 PM:
" HEY BIG CHEDDAR, YOU OBVIOUSLY DO WORSHIP THE DEVIL. NO SICKO BAND COULD DO ANYTHING BUT THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS JUNK THEY ARE SAYING. "
winnow wrote on Aug 7, 2007 6:03 PM:
" I hope Legion is a big shot with the thugs, because he said it best. WE DON'T WANT YOUR MONEY AND WE DON'T WANT YOUR IDEAS AND MESSAGE AND VIOLENCE HERE. "
Porky wrote on Aug 7, 2007 5:55 PM:
" Yeah, right on big cheddar, you the man!! You have every reason to be proud and boast of the fact that you have acted like a human occasionally!! Not much else is expected out of the losers that follow your band of thugs, so why not boast? Keep at it, fella, you make us all proud. "
Hey wrote on Aug 7, 2007 3:43 PM:
" HEY BIG CHEDDAR, WE ARE ALL SO PROUD OF YOU!! THEN ,WHY ARE YOU HANGING OUT WITH POND SCUM??? "
Good wrote on Aug 7, 2007 3:39 PM:
" I am happy to see these jiggoloos are buying there stuff elsewhere and we don't have to be near them this weekend. Stay out in the woods and spend your money on whatever you do out there. I dont' want one penny from you. "
Yippee wrote on Aug 7, 2007 3:32 PM:
" As a local merchant, I thank Legion for his instructions to all the freaks. I am glad to know that I do not have to expect you people in my store over the weekend. Yes, pls buy all your supplies before you come here. I don't want your money. "
To Legion wrote on Aug 7, 2007 3:29 PM:
" I love it, Legion! How many stores do you think we have here? This is one small county. And were you sickos really going to go antique shopping this weekend? Really, we will survive without your sin money. You can keep that money. "
Pouter wrote on Aug 7, 2007 3:27 PM:
" We don't want any of your money, legion. Your money is tainted and finances drug sales, violence, and all kinds of mayhem. Keep your money, just use it to buy gas to get out of here as quickly as possible. You ungracious slob. "
Response to JUDGED wrote on Aug 7, 2007 12:20 PM:
" JUDGED (so Christian too) says Hardin County has plenty of riff raff and criminals. He/she is right. MORE than enough. Law abiding residents don't want any more. The small law enforcement departments here have all they can handle without bringing in more. Put the religious aspect aside and understand that this county is not prepared to handle the situation without calling in reenforcements which is what has been done. It costs money that the county doesn't have and the taxpayers don't have. And the people responsible for bringing it here aren't contributing financially. It's a real problem. But another REALLY potentially BIG problem is the unrelenting HEAT that we are experiencing in the county this week. Walk outside from an air conditioned building and it will take your breath away. We've got two ambulances to cover a whole county ( a small county but one with many rural residents) unless someone is bringing more ambulances in here. I fear that county residents (who pay for the ambulance service with their tax dollars) will have to wait their turn for emergency services this weekend. I fear that some visitors who aren't used to this kind of weather will not realize when they are getting heat exhaustion. "
BigCheddarAK wrote on Aug 7, 2007 1:52 AM:
" I have never been a violent person. I have never destroyed others property on purpose. I have never been arrested. Nor have I ever killed anyone. So my actions do NOT reflect those things. "
Jackson Co resident wrote on Aug 6, 2007 3:10 PM:
" Hope everyone coming to Southern Illinois for this event has seen the weather reports. Today is supposed to be the coolest day we have all week. It's 95 degrees outside now and who knows what the heat index is. For those of you not familiar with a heat index, it means the temp may abe 95 but with our high humidity it can feel as hot as 110 and is very dangerous. A heat advisory has been issued for the entire week and weekend. Be sure and drink plenty of water, stay away from caffiene and alcohol as they will make you dehydrate even faster. "
To Big Cheddar wrote on Aug 6, 2007 1:04 PM:
" We have judged you on what your actions reflect, and that, according to all news sources, is violence, destruction, killing, and that sort of thing. So, you are what your actions reflect. You said it best. "
Willis wrote on Aug 5, 2007 7:24 PM:
" Dark Lotus is again off point. Many people, particularly the young, are influenced by what they hear and who they hang out with. That has been the case with people from your group, who have done some horrible things under the influence of your band. You have to take responsibility for what your band preaches, and quit denying it. The only good thing about your post was that you will go to another state next year. "
Murphysboro wrote on Aug 3, 2007 4:33 PM:
" Oh, yeah, you can find junk about this crock of a band all over, whether it is in newspapers, TV, or internet NEWS stories. It's not hard. These guys are whacko. You are into these village idiots? Whoa, you people have serious issues. "
He is confused wrote on Aug 3, 2007 1:20 PM:
" Dark lotus is deeply fighting his denial. Those articles cited came directly from newspapers. I found them in the Rocky Mtn News, Seattle Intelligencer, and some smaller papers throughout the U.S. Did he not read, or did he not want to see, that these were not internet stories, per se, they were newspapers who are also online, like the very paper you are reading, the Southern Illinoisan. Quit trying to parse it, friend, your group's name is out there. "
Don't give us that wrote on Aug 3, 2007 6:54 AM:
" idealistic American justice crap! Everyone knows it's really about money and power; whoever has the most of it wins. The county could have easily shut this event down, but for some reason the county officials have chosen not to. I'll leave it to you to draw your own conclusions about why. Hopefully the residents of Hardin county will get fed up with being the door mat for society's scum, and will vote some competent officals into office next election. "
so sad wrote on Aug 2, 2007 8:22 PM:
" DARK LOTUS, DO THE RESEARCH SINCE YOU ARE ON YOUR COMPUTER SO MUCH. TYPE IN YOUR GROUPS NAME AND YOU WILL BE LED TO A VOLUME OF SHAMEFUL ACTIVITIES CONDUCTED BY YOU AND YOUR HEROES. "
Gabe wrote on Aug 2, 2007 6:33 PM:
" Dark lotus, do the research yourself. You will find the internet loaded with these stories of violence and the gang activity by their fans across the country. I didn't have to spend much time at all on it. You people are very slow to accept the truth. Stop acting so innocent and own up to what you have done. Then you will understand why you are not wanted here. "
Union County Ted wrote on Aug 2, 2007 4:27 PM:
" Dark Lotus, and all the other 3 people still defending this group. I think these are directly from news stories, so why are you denying things? You guys spend so much time on your computers, surely you know how to surf. Your band is all over the place on the internet from what I found, too. Of course, I stopped looking when I read about the murders and suicides associated with the fans. Sick stuff. "
Re: In Answer to: A BELIEVER wrote on Aug 2, 2007 2:35 PM:
" I meant to type HOG WASH (not HOT WASH). Oops!
Anyway, I'm reading a lot of HOG WASH from some people who don't have a good argument or defense for listening to the lyrics and getting any kind of good message out of it. Young, impressionable people are the ones to worry about most. "
K.K. wrote on Aug 1, 2007 9:26 PM:
" TO MISPELLED
YOU ARE SO FAR OFF BASE, IT IS COMPLETELY LAUGHABLE. I HAVE NEVER OWNED A WHITE SHEET, ALL MY SHEETS ARE FLORAL. SO YOU ARE BARKING UP THE WRONG TREE.BETTER LUCK NEXT TIME,MAKING A DIRECT HIT. "
A. Believer wrote on Jul 31, 2007 6:03 PM:
" Regarding my last post, it was taking from the Levee Pond website. The section is about what the church believes. "
In answer to: A BELIEVER wrote on Jul 31, 2007 4:28 PM:
" Common sense would tell a person (if he can believe what has been reported that 8,500 tickets have already been sold to this event) that Pastor DeGrave would need an army to help him minister to this group. These people do not want a sermon while here and I don't think they are going to be tolerant of such actions. Yes, all Christians can treat these people with respect and kindness if they are given the chance to do so. Read up on what has happened in the past. Do some research. If nothing else, read the lyrics. I don't buy the argument that anyone can follow this group and ignore the filth. HOT WASH on the argument that good messages come from these lyrics! This group does not belong in a peaceful, rural setting such as Hardin County. For Heaven's Sake, the cities cannot even handle them. Yes, some of them are good people who have been led astray. They won't act up. But what about the hundreds of others who have posted mean messages and said nasty, disrespectful things about the people of Hardin County. Don't ignore the obvious. In this case, I don't think we would be wise to just "don't worry, be happy!" Too much has happened with this group for any sensible society to ignore it. I'm sure every church in the county has been in prayer about this event. For safety's sake, I hope the law is in full force. "
A. Believer wrote on Jul 31, 2007 12:51 PM:
" For everyone supporting Greg Degrave, I have something that I think you should read:
We Believe...The Churches Mission is to seek and save all who are lost in sin. We believe that the church is the body of Christ and consists of people who throughout time have accepted God's plan of redemption (regardless of denomination) through the death of His son Jesus Christ.
Okay, so why is Degrave trying to stop this event? Shouldn't he be trying to reach out to these people who he has deemed as sinners and bad influences? I wonder if Degrave took an oath on his way to becoming a pastor. If he did, it sounds like the hypocritical one. "
Colleen wrote on Jul 30, 2007 5:26 PM:
" Str8up at least admits that this uncivilized band cannot be allowed into the middle of a city. How sad is that. We are not the ones full of hate, sweetie, it is you and your band. you fail to understand that when you call us hayseeds, and worse on YOUR OWN WEBSITE, that we can read. You have no respect for us, and we have absolutely no reason to have any respect for you or your evil lifestyle. How can anyone NOT speak out against the hate you spew in your music. It amazes me that you people truly seem to feel you are the victims here, when you are advocating all kinds of illegal and sick activities. I also saw the golconda video, and that was sad. Very sad. There is no defense to that, and it turned my stomach. You have no love, and you have no respect, for your fellow man. "
stupid william wrote on Jul 27, 2007 2:43 PM:
" Calling people names is a sin isnt it. I was at Hog Rock this year. It was a good time.No one under 18. Lots of good hard working people. Educators, State workers, Health care providers, Older folks from your town and many, many others. I take offense at your low life statement.I say let them trash the farm if they want to. At 150 a ticket they can rebuild. "
cyanide wrote on Jul 27, 2007 1:32 PM:
" ok fine explain other than shopping in your stores and driving on your roads how are we goin to be anywhere near any of u unless u choose to do so? we arent coming to your houses, we arent asking u for rides, in fact other than camping alot of us wont even be sleeping in the same area as u. give it up, your arguments are null and void. after 4 or 5 days u wont see us. you act as though our soul intent is to come to your area and steal from u and kidnap your kids. william whines and cries about how this town has this and this town has that, how does that have anything to do with us? why cant u just take it for what is as a change to bring in some revenue for the local stores and more than likely the police officers who im sure will have a sharp eye on us for anything. you blame us like its our fault that mr.york is trying to make money off of his land. i cant blame him for trying to live the american dream. if we really bother u that much than stay in your houses or go on a trip, do whatever it takes to avoid us or u could just relax and maybe interact with some of us. "
William said it well wrote on Jul 27, 2007 10:09 AM:
" William was brave enough to state what many people in the county feel. Jason's argument does not hold up. I have heard it said too many times that residents should just "not go there" . The problem is that all of this is being brought them. "
Froggie wrote on Jul 27, 2007 8:54 AM:
" All I would like to say is, "Why is everyone in the Hardin County area buying trouble before it happens?" A true Christian will not let music influence their thoughts. Music is an entertainment. And if you go look at the timeline for the Gathering, you will notice that it is not a concert from beginning to end. There are alot of events going on, for example: car show, open mic performances, comedians, dodge ball, poker tournaments, night court, and the list goes on. They are even showing movies. What is so bad about that? Why can't people get together and camp and have a good time without all the ridicule? Leave Hog Rock and all the things that go on there alone. If you don't like it, stay at home!!!!! "
Jason wrote on Jul 26, 2007 12:29 AM:
" To How Many? Most of the previous years have stated that 6000-7000 attended. I read some where that 8000 tickets have been sold so far this year but am not sure if the source is guessing themselfes or knows for fact. From what I read on hog rock it hosts 10 to 15000 every year. "
roll call. wrote on Jul 25, 2007 10:45 PM:
" there are already 8thousand tickets sold, they will be selling them at the gate as well, and they will also have TONS of them just sneak in....it has happened at years past, and they have already made their $$ back, so violent j has been noted to say that if you dont have a ticket, sneak in...... "
TO Da Boogieman wrote on Jul 25, 2007 11:20 AM:
" AMEN! most intelligent thing i have seen on here in a week! "
Da Boogieman wrote on Jul 24, 2007 4:40 PM:
" I have a suggestion. Everybody quit arguing. It's pointless, we're coming, and there's not a thing you can do about it. You've already tried and your efforts were futile. So, try to make the best of it, or you can sit there and whine, the whole time. It doesn't really matter to me, anymore. I know I'm going and I'm gonna have a good time. Oh, and you don't have to worry about us coming into your town, you have a general store and a cave by the river. What we're gonna be doing is a lot more interesting than that. So, you can be mad, complain, point fingers, and spell-check all you like, but the fact of the matter is we're coming. MCL to the fam! "
OMISH wrote on Jul 24, 2007 12:53 AM:
" naw, the MOST IiNAPROPRIATE place to put this is in the middleof AMiiSH country.....yo arent as badd as the are, ARE YOU???? "
To All wrote on Jul 23, 2007 5:48 PM:
" The fact of the matter is that you chose the most inappropriate place to have your concert as you could have. You really should have done your homework more before you chose Hardin County or anywhere in this area, because simply put, no matter how many arguments you make, your music is overwhelmingly not supported by the people here, whether that is good or not I don't know. I suggest and recommend that next time you research the area you are going to and maybe there will not be so much controversy and maybe you will be made to feel welcome. "
cyanide wrote on Jul 23, 2007 2:57 PM:
" what u all seem to forget is that its not your backyard now is it? u dont own the roads so good luck keepin us out that way. someone has even gone so far as to say u schedule brush fires that surround us. now the last time i checked that was putting lives in danger so who is the real bad guy here? oh we condone this and that by buying the cds, so does that mean ppl that buy dvds support whats goes on inside the movie? acutally u know some of the messages i do condone and if i remember correctly so did the christians and in fact so does most of the united states, hence why we have a death penalty. unless u think its ok for someone to go out and kill someone cause of their color and pay no retribution what so ever. "
Void wrote on Jul 23, 2007 9:50 AM:
" This arguement is pointless.... just give up. There will be other bands with more fans... you're all wasting time. "
Good people don't deserve this trouble wrote on Jul 23, 2007 9:24 AM:
" The good people of Hardin County don't deserve to be trouble by what may happen with this Gathering. Nobody asked for it. A local group promotes tourism, but many residents would stand against TOURISM AT ANY COST! And I think the local tourism group is NOT SO THRILLED at what is happening in Hardin County with Hog Rock and now this. They promote family style entertainment, and the county as a whole supports that, too. But there is one guy who is not community minded and does not promote family style entertainment. It is my understanding that kids ACTUALLY CAN attend the Gathering. How sad that there are no laws to protect them from being exposed to ADULT ENTERTAINMENT RATED X! They will be influenced by what they see and hear, because young people are very impressionable. "
cyanide wrote on Jul 22, 2007 11:00 PM:
" again since its addressed to me. why should the cops follow me? what crimes have i commited? oh and for the record i acutally hang out and talk to the local cops around. i am also quite liked by many of the local businesses. how do i follow the advice of this band? ive never shot at a cop, or killed someone. although i have learned that sometimes you cant turn the other cheek. ive learned to stand up and be heard for who i am. so u can say all the negative things u want to about me and i know deep down in my heart its not true. i tried to stop arguing and instead tried to talk with the residents who seem to hate us so much. alas noone has excepted my invitation to sit down and just talk. to try and get to know the other side of the story. how has any of this made me a bad person? i would even go so far that if noone wants to meet me that they can invite and officer to join also. that way everyones worries could all be put to rest. my offer still stands for anyone willing to be open enough to talk. "
TO Cyanide wrote on Jul 22, 2007 10:10 PM:
" You should be followed by the cops just for the mere fact that you listen and follow the advice of this group. "
KID wrote on Jul 22, 2007 5:30 PM:
" what is your problem? this is America you guys cant stop freedom of expression. in the constitution in the first amendment it clearly states that everyone no matter
