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Most business owners aren't fired up about smoking ban
BY SCOTT FITZGERALD, THE SOUTHERN
Sunday, December 30, 2007 10:13 PM CST
CARBONDALE - Early Sunday afternoon, patrons at PK's bar and grill heard a siren from a law enforcement vehicle.

Someone remarked that everyone needed to extinguish their cigarettes because the police had arrived to enforce the state's new smoke-free act, which includes prohibiting smoking within 15 feet of any building entrance, exit, window that opens or ventilation intakes that serve an enclosed no-smoking area.

Many of the patrons laughed, knowing the law kicks in New Year's Day and immediate changes are forthcoming.

"We'll just have to tell them to put it out and you've got to go outside," said Chad Shaffer, a PK's bartender, about enforcing the new law.

Judging from a sample of independently owned food and drink establishment owners and a quick response from the City of Carbondale finance director Ernie Tessone, people are accepting the new health measure and peppering their response with humor.

"I feel like Margaret Meade in the village and will see how the natives are dancing," said Elaine Ramseyer, general manager of Longbranch Coffeehouse.

Speaking from her own experience as a smoker, Ramseyer said smokers possess inherent feelings that they should quit or at least smoke less.

Longbranch has tried to suit all patrons by offering a smoke-free rear dining room and an air filter in the front dining room.

"In the long haul, we've been lucky suiting smokers and non-smokers. We're very excited about the new law because it will simplify things and create a much nicer and welcoming environment."

Longbranch could potentially offer a smoking area outside with some major structural work, but Ramseyer said she is going to rely on feedback from her patrons before arriving at a major decision.

She said the state law is timely and supersedes what could have been a drastic economic impact if Carbondale had acted on its own and passed its own city ordinance prohibiting smoking in public places.

"If we had just a city ordinance prohibiting smoking, people would have said, for example, 'Hey let's go to Marion and watch the game at a place where we can smoke.' Carbondale needs all the business it can get," Ramseyer said.

Regarding an impact on sales tax revenue, the city has no current information as to whether the new state law will have an impact, Tessone said.

He said he may look at what's happened in Springfield, a city of somewhat comparable size and makeup to Carbondale, which passed an earlier city ordinance prohibiting smoking that is similar to the new state law.

Tessone said the city will not know the effect of the new law until sales tax revenues return that cover the first half of January.

Ryan Dantone, owner of The Gallery nightclub outside of De Soto, said he is not forecasting a drop in his business because of the new law.

He thinks bars should be exempt from prohibiting smoking like casinos, but is accepting the new law without any major gripe.

"It's something that is happening all over the country," he said about tougher public policies and laws against smoking.

Mike Mills, owner of the 17th Street Bar & Grill, said many of the provisions within the law and arguments about prohibiting smoking to curb secondhand smoke for the sake of non-smoking employees in particular, are nonsense.

"It should have been a business decision for small businesses," he said, disagreeing with the notion of public places that incorporates nearly all venues where people gather.

Retaliating against the argument that many employees in restaurants throughout the country have spoken out about secondhand smoke being a threat to their health, Mills said he wanted to experiment with his own establishment to see what would happen.

The 17th Street Bar & Grill recently prohibited employees smoking on the premises.

"We told them, 'We're doing this for your health.' I wanted to see the reaction. We still had employees sneaking outside to smoke," Mills said.

Mills said he foresees losing revenue early, especially from a projected drop in late-night patrons who drop in for a drink.

"It's a wait-and-see thing. I don't think it will be on the plus side. It's going to be interesting. I'm not nervous about it," Mills said.

scott.fitzgerald@thesouthern.com / 351-5076


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To Ed wrote on Jan 11, 2008 6:14 AM:

" I agree,a drunk on the road is worse than a smoker. Next it will be alcohol. Freedoms are being taken away. I for one always,always have a dd, common sense for some,alot of folks don't. I would rather be setting next to a smoker in a bar than a drunk getting behind the wheel. "

Andrea wrote on Jan 3, 2008 1:00 AM:

" I'm shocked at the number of people who think this law is taking away their right to smoke. You can still smoke. No one is taking that away from you. You just can't do it where it potentially affects other people. Just like you can be naked in your own home, but not in public. Your right to be naked hasn't been taken away and neither has your right to smoke. "

OMG wrote on Dec 31, 2007 6:19 PM:

" oh my gosh listen to all you people! This is just amother constitutional right being taken away! You have a choice to go to a place with smokers or not we that smoke have no rights! And anyone that would look for a job in a bar or restaurant knows there were smokers there.. get a job somewhere else..What will the government do next?
What happen to our free rights? Do you all lose sight of that? I'm sure alot of people have habits that could kill you right down to what you eat! Should the government look at that next and ban all foods that are bad for you?! Come on this is america land of the Free? "

non smoker wrote on Dec 31, 2007 4:50 PM:

" I know that smoking is bad for everyone but the people who put their life savings into a business should be able to decide whether or not to make their establishment smoke free or not. Most people don't go to a bar and worry about their health. As long as their is a sign posting "this is a smoking establishment" then patrons could choose to go in or go elsewhere. Those who are complaining that they should be able to eat or go wherever they want and not smell smoke; you still have the choice to go in or not. I don't smoke and don't like the smell of smoke therefore I sit in the no smoking section or don't go in. "

Ericka Eubanks wrote on Dec 31, 2007 1:26 PM:

" I am a smoker, and I agree with this law taking place. It does make me feel like I need to quit smoking, and this is one of my goals. I know it is a bad habit, and it's also very unhealthy. It makes it harder because it is an addiction. If they are gonna ban smoking every where then why don't they just ban the sales and use of tobacco in the states? Are they telling us that we can't smoke in public, but we need to continue to buy tobacco products because they are making quite a bit of money from them? If they really wanted smokers to quit they may offer more free programs for quitting or lower the cost of certain medications drugs that fight the addiction. This may help further more. "

ex-southern illinoisan wrote on Dec 31, 2007 12:29 PM:

" May I suggest that you don't take your children and babies into the bars. That way they won't be exposed to second hand smoke. "

Used to be a smoker wrote on Dec 31, 2007 9:12 AM:

" Not smoking isn't going to kill anybody. Actually, it's the other way around. Now smokers can actually get some fresh air, so to speak. Bottom line, if you are a smoker, show a little courtesy and not smoke around people who don't smoke. After all, you wouldn't want people to pass gas on your face while you're eating, would you? "

Lighten up wrote on Dec 31, 2007 8:31 AM:

" You know, I don't know why people just can't deal with this. Many cities and states have adopted some sort of smoking-ban. It is not unique to just Illinois. In fact, many cities and states have much more strict laws than the one Illinois has adopted. I for one support the new law, and hope that it is actively enforced. "

SARGE wrote on Dec 31, 2007 8:04 AM:

" I have already heard lot,s of statements by smokers that they will figure out ways to cheat the new law. Most smokers are very biased about their bad habit and will probably try to stand with one foot in the door and one foot out and light up. Then we can be battered with stale,nasty smoke on the way in and out of public buildings!! "

Hot Stuff wrote on Dec 31, 2007 7:54 AM:

" Now I get it...the business owners aren't "FIRED UP." Cute.
"

ED wrote on Dec 31, 2007 4:53 AM:

" Smoking is a dirty nasty stinky habbit I'll agree. But I'm more worried about now is all the nonsmokers, now that they have the saloons to their self. Are they still going to think healthy and drink milk in a bar? When a person drives to a bar they drive home. At least the parking lot is empty at closing time. Drinking and driving is a fast death. At least smoking it can take up to 40 or 50 yrs. to kill a person. "

ex-southern illinoisian wrote on Dec 31, 2007 3:35 AM:

" I now live in Florida where this law has been in effect for some time. I think it is wonderful!! It just turnes my stomach to walk in to an establishment that reeks of smoke and only stay for a moment and leave smelling like an ash tray. It also galls me to see people smoking around babies and children.. thos poor little lungs.. "


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