Herrinite wrote on Feb 29, 2008 8:30 AM:
" This is suppose to be for the children. As I understand it, Herrin High School already plans to spend $100,000 of the money to upgrade administrative computers. "
DP wrote on Feb 17, 2008 1:25 PM:
" Maybe the superintedent should take a pay cut, to contriubute. I am all for the new school, children deserve it. As long as all the money goes to the school not bloated administrative salaries. "
re 4 kids wrote on Feb 3, 2008 2:15 PM:
" This is a continuence from previous, and a want to correct trying. "
re re If you vote no - CONTINUED FROM EARLIER COMMUNICATION wrote on Feb 3, 2008 2:11 PM:
" You want some biblical scripts, I know that in the bible, that we " slaves have masters and the masters are not to forget the have a master, the ONE TRUE MASTER." Also, tho Book of LIFE says that there is only ONE TRUE TEACHER. We are to surrender to Cesar what is Cesars and to God what belongs to OUR OUR FATHER GOD, which comes down to everything, even our schools. At a last thought, the Book of Life often give spiritual words, some in the Bible, and some in books that were taken from sacred Books, telling that some spiritual words were to be written down with ink on tablet and that there were some that was not to be, and only written in the heart, for they were to be sacred/secret and not for all to see. - SEE HOLY SPIRITUAL BIBLE, TALMAD, A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES IN THE TALMAD ARE, BOOKS OF BARUCH AND BOOKS OF ENOCH ). In conclusion, one should do the right thing to their best ability, whether others do or not. Therefore I am convienced to do the right thing and then hand it to GOD while asking that the outcome be his will, IN JESUS' NAME, AMEN. "
re 4 kids wrote on Feb 2, 2008 9:35 PM:
" I understand what you are tring to communicate, however, In reality, Public schools do not help this children who do not have " good homes or great parents." Nor do they in the long run help children with " good homes and great parents". As the book of life states, " Let know one deceive you." and " buy the truth and sale it not." "Trust no one, for your heart can deceive you." Trust only in God. " And, I don't mean the God of worldly money. Only new laws, such as true godly laws,is able to help such worldly lustful dysfunction. So if we care soo much about the children, why don't you help Williamson County take donations to build a school that teaches good, with workers who do not lack soo much control and who are content with receiving resonable paychecks, for the love being true teachers and have some true charity workers. And, those who oppose to a good school can donate to one that is different, possible even having a tax deduction, for such worldly "Charity." Better yet, if our government wants to play part time parents or full time parents to the world, why don't we become the right type of influence for all children, then laws would count in wonderful numbers. I'm just wanting to be a true helper with pray for open doors in satter that will work for the better, because I still want to find a way for all God's children, and believe in the U.S. of A. that continues and ends for all of us, as a wonderful stay. "
HELP STUDENTS LIKE ME! VOTE YES ON FEB. 5!! wrote on Feb 2, 2008 9:00 PM:
" For the people who are complaining about the tax increase that may happen: You may be mad about the tax increase, but do you know where your tax dollars go? How do you know that it is going to the schools? The schools need money to improve the learning area for our youth. That is the only thing the money can be used for: school construction/school improvements. The 1% of a dollar won't be used to pay teachers or anything. I am a student in Herrin and I feel it would be a WONDERFUL thing if people would just VOTE YES! 1% doesn't really matter in the whole relm of things. If you don't vote yes the towns are going to find other ways to get the money. This will lower taxes, but if not passed it may raise taxes. I have been in several schools in our county, and a lot of them could be improved. So please, I am asking you as an student to Vote Yes on Feb. 5th. "
Vote NO wrote on Feb 2, 2008 8:07 PM:
" No new taxes till you learn to manage what you have now. "
QUIT wrote on Feb 2, 2008 1:08 PM:
" Quit with the lying about 'this is for the kids'! You people who try to spin it that way should be very ashamed of yourselves as I'm sure a reservation has already been made in a very hot place as to lie like that rankes up with the worse lies ever told! And the sad part is to think that you probably have children and they will grow up and learn to lie just a blatently as you do! DO the world a favor and quit reproducing as the world has enough stupid and ignorant people already!! When we start running low, we'll let you know...but until then...don't even hold someone's hand as this area is pathetic!! "
Richard wrote on Feb 2, 2008 9:38 AM:
" NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! "
4kids wrote on Feb 1, 2008 10:24 PM:
" Carterville Native: All kids don't come from good homes and have great parents. Caterville High School is over 80 years old. Once last year the sewer backed up in the kitchen. What a lunch they had that day. Creal Springs is 97 years old. Buildings like that have sewer and water pipes embedded in the concrete floors and electrical wiring that is completely outdated. The cost to update and/or maintain become much greater than new construction.
By the way, 51% of Illinois' population and legislature lives north of Interstate 80. (159th St., Chicago) We will never get money to meet our needs from them. "
Whiteash Rez wrote on Feb 1, 2008 10:23 PM:
" Hey "Real Figures" I posted the same math and explanation earlier. I asked a school official where they got these figures. He didn't know, just said they got them from the courthouse. They do seem very inflated. Something I said earlier was that this tax would remain while any of the districts has a debt related to this sales tax. "
VOTE YES FOR CON SCIENCE wrote on Feb 1, 2008 9:58 PM:
" BE CON SIENCE - SEE HOLY BOOK OF LIFE. "
cautious wrote on Feb 1, 2008 9:52 PM:
" I will vote NO. Here in Marion we have a Superintentent who doesn't know how to manage money and a board that doesn't think own it's own. We don't need a new school in Creal. There are only 160 students there from K-8 grade. These students could easily be absorbed into the Marion schools. As far as a high school, we havn't explored alternatives, such as adding on. Besides, the enrollment figures are highly exagerrated. If we had some good reporters they would research and discover that the ave. class size isn't any larger than it was 25- 30 years ago. "
re: if you vote no wrote on Jan 29, 2008 @10:28 wrote on Feb 1, 2008 9:49 PM:
" I am not the one who wrote from below. Still you had ask for some biblical reference. First I want to say that we should judge if able people who are God fearing; otherwise it will be more than schools falling down. I have meditated in the spirit, even a little in the mean spirit. I have come to recall a time when I read for the holy and, or worldly book of life, and recall how soo many times, I was tested with great giant monsters, and know matter extremely difficult it was, I continued to sacrificing myself believing in the faith of the divine will that works no matter what situation when you apply it, and only when you truly apply it. I know all to well, for the divine will has save me my close love ones. I have seen it work great wonders, while giving back so much more, when all seemed to be more than I could bear. People have to sacrifice, even for others sins, if that is the case in this matter, for divine will to work. Just as Jesus did, but not in vain, no matter what the father of all lies might try to convience us of. I would like to give you just a few scriptures that I quickly hunted up in hopes to help in making a good decision. Hebrew 13:16 - And do not neglet doing good and sharing, for with such sacrifices God is pleased. Mark 12:33 - AND TO LOVE HIM WITH ALL THE HEART AND WITH ALL THE UNDERSTANDING AND WITH ALL THE STRENGTH AND TO LOVE ONE'S NEIGHBOR AS HIMSELF, is much more than all burnt offerings and sacrifices. Last, a scripture given to my son by a big school official whom I was not very fond of, but he was someone my son looked up to. I now understand this public school official better and have respect now respect him. The scripture is 2 Peter - For by these He(God through His Son)has granted to us precious and magnificant promises(throught the veil/vale that had torn in the temple, that is the church house, part of the body of christ, after Jesus sacrificed His worldy flesh and gave us the ONE SPIRITUAL BAPTISM, that being the holy spirit/ghost for all), so that by them you may become partakers of {the} divine nature having escaped the corruption that is in the world by lust. Finally, I want to add that I'm poorer and in worst health than ever, but I am more content and stronger than ever, for I know that God will provide and his will is always good for me. Therefore, I PLAN TO VOTE YES. "
intheknow wrote on Feb 1, 2008 9:17 PM:
" I have been trying to let the public in on a secret and some people are just not getting it. The citizens of Marion and Herrin are going to get a tax, whether it is to build schools or to pad the pockets of each city, trust me. You have to power to decide whether it goes to the schools, where the monies are needed for to build facilities, or to Mr. Butler and Mr. Ritter. They are trying to scare the citizens of each town so they can pass a tax this summer. Why are so many blind to this?
Again, mark it down, copy this comment because if the school facility tax does not pass, Mr. Butler and Mr. Ritter will pass THEIR tax in a couple of months. When will the citizens remove their blinders? "
TO GOOD FOR SOUL wrote on Feb 1, 2008 8:21 PM:
" How about honesty and donations toward the projects? Who knows, we might actually get more funds then needed, if any remaining amount can go for other future good causes that can be trusted. And, yes Mr. Vote no from below, God is participating in the schools, governments, our homes, and is with our children etc... just as satan is attending, whether people accept it, like it or not, we will have to deal with it. And, Jim from below, just after I read your post, I heard on a T.V. ( commercial ) that O'Charley's is good for the SOUL. If you want the money you might want to do the right thing and ask O'Charley's and those who are able to spend their money at O'Charley's for forgiveness. They might want to make the first donations, with or with out your sorrow-felt statement. "
To, no trust/the deal wrote on Feb 1, 2008 7:56 PM:
"
This whole referendum was mandated by the legislators that a county board MUST put this on the ballot if the schools have enough participation. The state legislators are cowards and can't find a way to work together to get a capital bill so they pawn this off to county residents. Williamson County is being used as a ginny pig and if it passes you can bet MANY other counties will follow suit. I don't think any county board would take a position one way or another, it is up to the people to vote. The sad thing is that the people will keep re-electing the same legislators in Springfield. I disagree with Mr. Bradley, horse racing and lottery is gambling and thats ok. What is the difference if it is a riverboat to fund the schools? Better yet, give us another solution how to get the money. Gambling is a choice, I woudl rather see the money stay in IL than to go across the river to another state. I am in education and I support whatever it takes to get the job done. It is obvious we cannot wait on Springfield. "
Marion Teacher wrote on Feb 1, 2008 7:49 PM:
" The teachers of Marion HAVE NOT been told that there is going to be a reduction in staff if this referendum pass. That is a bold face lie. "
4kids wrote on Feb 1, 2008 7:03 PM:
" Stop and think. Has any school in Williamson County ever been built or added to without raising property taxes? The answer is no. When the state funds school construction, they never fund at 100%. We get a chance to reduce property taxes and fund new construction at the same time and some of you can't seem to get it. Schools approaching 100 years old will have to be replaced. If not with a sales tax then it will be with health/life/safety funds. Where does that come from? You guessed it. Real estate taxes. Who paid for the schools you attended? Your parents and grandparents increased their real estate taxes so you could attend a decent school. Wassa matta u?
As for "Intimidated", you are simply not telling the truth. There has never been a threat to cut teachers. There are 28-29 elementary students in some classes now. Further, the referendum that passed was for $20 million not $40 million. It authorizes the school board to raise that amount from real estate tax increases if they want. No money has ever been collected because Hudgens and the Board promised not to do that. They are more honest than you.
Shame! "
Carterville native wrote on Feb 1, 2008 3:35 PM:
" As I said earlier, I see good arguments on both sides of this issue. The best argument I can see to vote for it is to take power away from the State. Money raised and spent locally is always going to be more efficiently used (less taken for bureaucracy), and anything to take power away from Gary Forby and Blogo sounds good. I have decided to vote "No". Building something for the kids? Kids can learn in a polebarn as long as the kids come from good homes and the teachers are good. I have decided this is more about over-taxation (not about making the State pay). Every level of government seem to constantly look for additional "revenue streams" to pay for various projects. I believe the revenue streams are exhausted and it is time to start finding ways to decrease spending. If you want to use money on a new project, find an old project that can ben canned. "
Re: Thunder wrote on Feb 1, 2008 1:14 PM:
" Larry Woolard. Now there's a waste of tax-payer dollars if there ever was one. "
REAL FIGURES wrote on Feb 1, 2008 1:11 PM:
" OK, here's a response to those of you who are defending the $7.5 million dollar annual figure. It doesn't take an economic genius to break the numbers down. In order to generate $7.5 million dollars yearly, it would require $750,000,000 in taxable goods and services. That is seven hundred fifty million dollars for those of you who apparently do not read numbers very well. And you have to keep in mind that would NOT include groceries, medication, vehicle purchases, and real estate. That is an astronomical number of taxable transactions for a county of this size, especially when you exclude groceries, medicine, vehicles, and real estate. Now, I've heard conflicting reports and remarks as to who is coming up with that figure. But whoever it is needs to go back to school and re-take either Economics 101 or Accounting 101. The proceeds from this 1% increase would not even come close to being $7.5 million annually. I would possibly consider voting "yes" if I knew we weren't being lied to and lead on. Do the math folks, and then decide for yourself. "
Vote NO wrote on Feb 1, 2008 11:56 AM:
" We pay income tax, tax on our gas (about 35 cents per gallon) and sales tax on everything. For example, to spend $100 most working men and women have to earn approximately $140. This debate is not about God and our children. It is about poor administration and an educational system that was born in the 1800's. Vote NO on this tax increase. "
hey willy county wrote on Feb 1, 2008 10:39 AM:
" i live in jackson county BUT a tax, is a tax, is a tax...it's another way for the liberal dems to get in your pocket no matter at what level of government...we ALL need to force Blogo to use that gaming money for schools like it was intended..instead they are using it to try to show a balanved budget...what a crock of crap..the government in Illinois (especially the Jackson County Board of dictators) are the worst in the country...don't believe it? do your home work...passing ANOTHER tax is just givingthe ok for these idiots to do it again, and again, and again...good luck! "
Intimidated wrote on Feb 1, 2008 10:13 AM:
" The reason the teachers are hitting the yes vote in Marion is because they have been told a reduction in staff will be necessary if this referendum doesn't pass. Teachers in Marion can't even get paper clips or other necessities at this time. You talk about intimidation, Marion administrators lead the way. Marion voters haven't asked enough questions yet. We're getting ready to pay for a new grade school in Creal Springs, then a new high school in Marion. What happened to the 40 million dollar bond referendum that was passed by the voters? Then on top of that, once the new high school is built and the junior high is moved to the high school, besides having a traffic nightmare, we will have an occupied school building. Maybe are board hasn't done enough research yet. They continue to let Mr. Hudgens dictate their thought process. Hey, he works for you and you work on behalf of the tax payers. Do the job you were elected to do. One last thought, maybe we need to realign some of that administrative fat and do away with some of those high salaries. "
Home Owner wrote on Feb 1, 2008 9:56 AM:
" I understand that the money generated would save some home owners on their tax bill? My question is this. My taxes go up every year without fail so after a one year break in not raising my taxes I will be back to an increase in realestate tax and also pay an additional 1% tax on everything else after the initial year is up? Did we as homeowners gain a thing? "
Gale wrote on Feb 1, 2008 8:06 AM:
" PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What a sad day when we can not put our children first....Yes my kids also will not enjoy the benefits of a new high school in Carterville but I may have neices, nephews, grandchildren some day that may just benefit from the l% sales tax...most you use are soooo self minded ....get a grip for heavens sake. Most of us waste 1% every time we clean out our refrigerators or pantry once a week or month. This is an ongoing tax so that our school districts can keep up with the maintenance and repairs on a daily basis... If we wait for the state to help fund these situations then you are correct our building will look the same in a few years....That's is why this 1% tax is needed now!!!!If not for our children then for our future generations. "
here it is wrote on Feb 1, 2008 7:57 AM:
" The tax revenue is county wide not just from Marion. That is where the $7.5 millin comes from. "
Mojo & Jim wrote on Feb 1, 2008 6:23 AM:
" They both are products of the local public school system AND they are now teachers in the district. Need anymore reason than that to vote NO? I don't! "
Thunder wrote on Feb 1, 2008 5:27 AM:
" I have a question. If Carterville has needed funds so long for a school, why didn't Larry Woolard, past state senator, appropriate funds for that school. Not only was your state senator but also resides in Carterville. Now a Deputy Governor, so why can't he get you the funds? He has helped other towns, why not his own? "
The Deal wrote on Feb 1, 2008 12:56 AM:
" The failure of our local officials and state legislators to bring home OUR MONEY from the state for school construction is the result of a deal between local officials and the Governor. The Governor has offered political favors for Brent Gentry and Bob Barnett (like jobs for relatives and friends) if they would place this sales tax on the ballot and get the pressure off of the governor over school funding. Follow the money, people. "
4kids wrote on Jan 31, 2008 11:41 PM:
" Marion does not get to keep all of the sales tax we pay on items. The state gets the largest share. If you recall, we paid over 5% before Marion became Home Rule and instituted its sales tax. 1/8 cent generates over $500,000 in Marion alone. "
RE: 4kids wrote on Jan 31, 2008 9:39 PM:
" If Marion is generating $4 million in sales tax now at the rate of 7.75%, then rasing it to 8.75% will generate less than $0.5 million additionally.
So where the $7.5 million in new money will come from? "
4kids wrote on Jan 31, 2008 8:56 PM:
" Marion alone is getting over $4 million per year in sales tax right now. That can be verified. The $7.5 million figure came from the Illinois Dept. of Revenue. "
bluto wrote on Jan 31, 2008 7:56 PM:
" Jim,
Carterville just spent countless thousands of dollars on a football field!!! then they complain about their school. Yes I have been there and the school is awful...but gotta ask, where are the priorities?
P.S. you are a liberal idiot!!! "
re JIM AND ALL OTHER WHOSE IN YOU YOU YOU wrote on Jan 31, 2008 3:05 PM:
" If southern illinois goes sour or is spoiled, it will be because of untruthful attitudes of wrongful people, as in YOU YOU AND YOU... "
re Jim wrote on Jan 31, 2008 2:49 PM:
" Who are you to decide what and,or who is an "idiot" or "Redneck Idiot." If you are wanting to give and receive good advice, I'd suggest you to learn to read a real good book for to aid and add in future, and it's defintion of ignorant and ignorance. I'm sure you will understand the difference in what honey and vinger ( fermented ) represents. "
re IF YOU VOTE NO wrote on Jan 31, 2008 2:29 PM:
" It seems as though we maybe should not be involved for good cause. And can any teacher or law giver tell me who are the sheeple and who is people? And who and why little boo pep who lost sheep? Why don't we think of the tax pass as true charity with no clairity? See Charity in the Book Of Life. We should do charity work. Also in 1 Timothy 6:17 through 21 - Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy. That they do good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate; Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life. O Timothy ( faithful one ), keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of sience falsely so called. Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace { be } with thee. Amen. IN GOD WE TRUST, AMEN. "
Remember? wrote on Jan 31, 2008 1:52 PM:
" I thought that gaming (gambling) revenues were going to support schools. Oh, I forgot...that was also a lie. "
TO ILLINOIS wrote on Jan 31, 2008 1:29 PM:
" I have truly always believed that our present governor has had some good needs and wants for Illinois, it's just I worry about how he will get them. I truly pray that the all knowing GOOD LORD AIDS him and Williamson County to all the right solutions for the good in needs and wants. "
TO THE LETTER/ LATTER OF MATTER wrote on Jan 31, 2008 12:50 PM:
" Please some of you teachers and those who speak as the worldly law, would it do any good for me to learn the constitution or many other written laws? What is a double tax? Is it against the law? And what is freedom of speach, or a threat, or an assult? And who and, or what will be judged by it, and who or what judges it? Please help me understand, for I don't want my rights taken from me because of fatherless lies. I never learn from school any of the things that matter, for it turned out to be a delusion. Still, I feel that people want to care and help bring good to reality. I pray that I am not wrong as I have been in worldly past that continued to an unbarrable last, until I opened the good book of facts. Let the truth in the matter be a scribe walking in your latter, mixed with you batter and served for your platter, that is good for your fatter, in Jesus name, amen. "
Concerned Taxpayer wrote on Jan 31, 2008 12:40 PM:
" Will the 1% tax apply to gasoline? That would be deal-breaker for me. "
How Dare!! wrote on Jan 31, 2008 11:52 AM:
" How can anyone question the soundness of these financial numbers! They come from highly respected and very smart accountants and experts in the field of finances. To question these numbers shows just how stupid and ignorant many of you people actually are! Get a clue or else quit posting such idiotic statements and questions as you are proving that some question really are too dumb to ask! "
Bonds wrote on Jan 31, 2008 11:22 AM:
" The school districts are still going to have to issue bonds to pay for most of these projects. As long as the payments don't exceed the money coming in from the tax, taxes shouldn't increase. If there is a dropoff in sales or they can't get the bond for a long enough period of time our taxes will go up to pay for the improvements. We need to be prepared to have this tax for 20, 30, or 40 years because if the state fails to provide any funding for school construction, the burden will be placed solely on the school districts. "
Herrinite wrote on Jan 31, 2008 10:09 AM:
" Herrin Mayor Ritter is saying this 1% tax would also lower property taxes. He said the same thing when he wanted home rule. He got that. My property taxes increased 60% last year. We pay enough taxes and this would only allow the state to spend more of our tax dollars upstate. IE Chicago. I am opposed to this tax and will vote against it. 42 inch wide screen tv? I am insulted. My tv is a 53 inch wide screen. Isn't everybody's? "
hmmmm wrote on Jan 31, 2008 9:59 AM:
" In my defense, I DO care about my children's education. I just know that if this tax passes, my children will not be in the school system by the time a new school is built. So, as heartless and selfish you think I am, I'm still voting NO! I don't have a lousy life either, don't drive a $40,000 car, don't have a big screen t.v. and don't eat out and don't shop with 14 maxed out credit cards. I have a full time job, 3 children to feed and provide a home for. 3 children that get straight A's in overcrowded hallways of the Marion school system. Education isn't based on a building, it's based on teamwork between a student, a teacher and parent/guardian. Creal Springs eats lunch in the hallway, but has some of the highest test scores in the state. So all of you pointing your fingers at the "selfish" me can get off your soapboxes and stop blaming me and the teachers and the buildings your kids go to school in as being the reason your child can't learn anything! This tax is morally wrong. I pay my taxes to this state in good faith that this state will do what they are SUPPOSED to do with it. The state is NOT acting in good faith by spending MY money properly. Right now my money is being used to pay excessive costs to keep bringing our legislators back to Springfield to vote on a mass transit bill for CHICAGO! When this state starts paying its bills and working in good faith for the people that fund it, I'll be more than happy to help out more. Until then, I'm voting NO! "
2 Jim wrote on Jan 31, 2008 9:05 AM:
" Great arguement!! I never though about it like that as you are such a persuasive and intellectual individual. I wish people like you were running the schools as I'm sure we would never have a problem nor would we even need taxes as your persuasive powers would probably get people to work for free! Man, we need a thousand more like you! Sure wish I knew where you lived so I could stop by and shake your hand sometime! Keep up the great work and speaking with such conviction as I'm sure we'll get the chance to converse someday as that is a day that I can only hope and dream for....until then, take care and keep sounding off. "
marley wrote on Jan 31, 2008 9:01 AM:
" Our children deserve the best. There is just one problem with that thought.
Why build new schools? In a short time they too will be torn down and tossed onto a junk heap. Why? Simply put, the words upkeep and maintance have no meaning. The hole in the ceiling which was shown on TV makes an adamant statement to one's reasoning. "
To: Jim and Mojo wrote on Jan 31, 2008 8:52 AM:
" You two really know how to persuade people to your side.LOL Your eloquent, intelligent (LOL) argument in favor of the tax has convinced me that I'm on the right side------voting "NO". Thanks for confirming my decision. "
Mojo wrote on Jan 31, 2008 7:38 AM:
" After reading this blog I can clearly see why Industry is standing in line to get here. I guess are kids can just cook meth for a living, make some babies and get on the welfare, which is another no good socialist program like public education. "
Tell Me Something wrote on Jan 31, 2008 7:28 AM:
" If this tax is only going to be a penny on the dollar, then how in the heck do they expect to raise $7.5 million annually? I've asked that same question multiple times, but have never gotten a straight answer. Our economy isn't that great. "
Jim wrote on Jan 31, 2008 7:26 AM:
" You people are part of the Rush Limbaugh crowd that screams and rants anytime you hear "tax" Listen idiots- We have to get these kids the schools they need one way or another@! They are falling aprart!! I have been to them!!! To sit here and complain about Rod and the Democrats is simply playing politics and is an absolute DISGRACE. Go ahead and run around in your $40,000 SUV with 14 maxed out credit cards, 42 inch wide screen T.V. Go ahead and eat at O'Charley's 8 times a week and spend a fortune at the mall. Then complain about 1 freaking cent per dollar to try to build our kids a SAFE school!!! And by the way, these superintendents went to school and earned those postions and that money!! Who are you to decide they get paid too much?? Redneck idiots!! "
WILLAMSON REPUBLICAN wrote on Jan 30, 2008 10:38 PM:
" Honest Abe, that sounds like something that a tax and spend liberal radio DJ would say. You worry about yourself. Life, Liberty and the pusuit of happiness. Never does it say your life won't bite, or that you will be happy, but that you can pursue it. The truth is that the STATE of ILLINOIS is in the toilet. Someone needs to flush it, before it stinks up the rest of the Midwest. This is the State's responsibility. Period. It is a general principal thing to those that can't understand it. No one with half a brain is against education, or the children, but look at how it is being funded. I say no taxation without representation. Apparently, some of you could re-read Thomas Paine's COMMON SENSE. It seems to be sorely lacking in Williamson County Schools. I hate to agree with Mayor Butler, but he is 100% right about this. "
LOL wrote on Jan 30, 2008 10:10 PM:
" Counselors and psychologists shouldn't even be allowed NEAR a school. Assistant principals? What in the world does the principal do all day long? Aides for teachers? Apparently the teachers aren't teaching, per the amount of homework they send, so what are they doing with their time? Again I say, get rid of all these wastes of money before you ask for a new tax.
VOTE NO! It's time to show the schools and politicians we mean business and the free ride is over now. Home schooling is looking more and more attractive. "
Herrin resident and educator wrote on Jan 30, 2008 9:47 PM:
" I have read the various blogs and the opinions folks have shared. It is a shame that we are fighting over our children. It is more amazing that some folks are challenging the tax concept of being good or bad.
Some of the comments are bizzare and off base. While the idea or solution may sound "right" to the author of the blog, it may not always fall within the parameters our schools are required to follow as defined in the Illinois School Code.
If time will allow, imagine you are living in bibical times when Noah felt he needed to build an ark. His neighbors thought he was nuts. He felt he was right. The same is true with this referenda...you think I am nuts. While I respect your opinion, I am going to vote yes before our buildings drown!
Please reconsider previous ideas, forget one moment about your pocketbook, and vote for a 1 cent sales tax increase on February 5th.
"
TAX WILL PASS wrote on Jan 30, 2008 9:42 PM:
" The tax will pass or you are going to pay for it in more ways than you'll ever know. Go ahead and vote no....we will get our funding with or without you and it will be WITH YOUR MONEY so just get used to the idea!! In fact, it really isn't YOUR money as it is just on temporary loan from us to you as we are getting ready to call in our loans! "
Whiner wrote on Jan 30, 2008 8:25 PM:
" This tax is a penny on the dollar. If you calculated that you would have spent $832 in sales tax then that means that you bought $83,200 worth of stuff, excluding food, drugs and vehicles. If you spent $83,200 on things, much of which would have to be luxery items, then I don't think a penny more per dollar is really going to hurt you. "
No, I don't believe it wrote on Jan 30, 2008 6:42 PM:
" Whenever I read that a "tax is a vote for children," I hold on to my wallet and worry about the honesty of the guy that wants more money to do his job the easy, vs. the smart way. "
Whiteash Rez wrote on Jan 30, 2008 4:12 PM:
" This 1% tax is supposed to generate 7.5 million dollars per annum? Does Williamson County really have an economy that produces $750,000,000 in taxable sales a year? And that's less auto sales, real estate, pharmacueticals and food. By the way the tax cannot be removed while any of the districts still have a debt that is related to the tax. "
Only a teacher wrote on Jan 30, 2008 3:09 PM:
" We have teachers in our district that are continuously hitting the 'yes' vote on the WSILTV poll for voting. Only in education could this type of behavior be tolerated. Once again, more proof that the system is broke and laughable at best!! "
Brilliance wrote on Jan 30, 2008 3:03 PM:
" Once again, we stand humbled in the face of all these caring and loving people who are preaching that WE should to the right thing! Of course, by 'the right thing' means do the right thing that will serve their own personal interests. We will never know, but I can bet with 100% accuracy that these postings are made by teachers or school administrators. 1) they are the only people in the community that think this is such a great idea, and 2)ironically that they are in education because this is simply not a very educated or smart point to endorse. IF you feel that strongly, then those of you who want to pass this tax can just chip in and contribute what I would have paid in sales tax. That amount would REALISTICALLY be $832.45 based on expenditures from last year. Since you care so much, I know this won't be an issue. "The Kids" and I thank you so very much!! "
If you vote yes... wrote on Jan 30, 2008 12:46 PM:
" You are voting to endorse the horrible educational system that doesn't work and isn't going to do anything to fix itself. If you vote yes, then you are endorsing the 'once hired, never fired' mentality that saturates our public schools. If you vote yes, then you are going along with the corrupt union and a system that turns a blind eye when it comes to short changing our children and dumbing down our population. SO...if you vote yes...you are obviously as corrupt as the system you are trying to protect and will help identify what avenue you are choosing. Those of us who think we should do the right thing appreciate in you letting us know how you think and how corrupt the area has become. It will then be on us if we chose to stay in this area and associate with the self-proclaimed unethical and crooked individuals that you have shown yourselves to be. "
Honest Abe wrote on Jan 30, 2008 12:38 PM:
" I would bet some of you posters would be the first in the bitching line if the state cut some of the frivolous welfare spending and helping those who cannot/will not get a job and earn their own keep. It's easy to complain about higher taxes and living from pay check to pay check, if you don't like your life, make a change. Why punish the kids in your town because your life sucks and you only care about yourself and what makes you happy. Sad commentary on the life of the unhappy. "
Herrin Resident wrote on Jan 30, 2008 12:33 PM:
" The mailing that was sent to the households in the Herrin School District was funded by private donations. Three PTO's were asked to contribute to the mailing and that contribution was not needed as the funds all came in the form of donations from local businesses. Just want to set the record straight on that issue.
On the tax issue, I am still undecided. I do have children in the Herrin district. I do see needs that can be met by this tax increase. However, I also see money being wasted on frivolous things. The $21,000 being used for a new marquee on the north side of the high school would at least put a small scratch in the outstanding debt for having built the school.
If they can't seem to use the current incoming money to pay for the debt why give them more money to squander. "
anotherherrinite wrote on Jan 30, 2008 10:46 AM:
" I went to school to make good money to have a nice home and live in a nice community....I moved to Herrin 3 years ago...my property taxes have continually increased alot!!! I have been told Herrin is one of the highest payees in Williamson County..I have friends living in Carbondale and other Williamson Co. towns who pay significantly lower taxes...I spoke with the tax assessor prior to building to find out approximatley what these bills would be....not even close!!! I know many who have built or bought in Herrin who are having to sell and move because you can't even afford to live here. Now we are pondering about raising property taxes again...my child doesn't even go to the public school and from what I hear..Herrin has already outgrown their new high school so here comes another tax increase???
I am confused!!! "
THINK before voting wrote on Jan 30, 2008 10:35 AM:
" When people hear and see the words "tax increase", I think they tend to panic. The truth is that this would be a minimal increase. You would only feel the impact if you were to make a very large purchase. I'm reluctant to vote "Yes" myself because I feel that we would be bailing the state out in an indirect way. But our schools need help in a most desperate way. Carterville High and Creal Springs School are to the point to where they are becoming eye-sores and embarrassments. Plus, I don't know about you all, but my property taxes are getting out of control. I'm afraid that if they get too much higher, I'm going to be forced to sell my home. If there is even a small chance that this will lower property taxes, then I'll vote "Yes" based upon that fact alone. And also keep in mind that there will be job creation out of all this. While it is true that the jobs would be temporary, I'm sure many folks in the unemployment line would be glad to take a good paying temporary job at this point. Please think long and hard before you vote "No" on this referendum. "
What??? wrote on Jan 30, 2008 10:30 AM:
" It's too bad that hmmmm will vote no even though as she says "I know it affects my kid directly. I can't understand the logic of this arguement. Why in heavens name would a parent, or anyone else for that matter, not vote for something when it can have a beneficial effect on their children, and others children? "
To: Mojo wrote on Jan 30, 2008 10:06 AM:
" Now that your children are grown, you may have the extra cash to pay for new taxes. Unfortunately, my children are still young and I'm barely making ends meet, as it is. Please don't help to impose another tax on those of us who are having financial difficulty. I've already paid plenty of taxes to the state, that should be used to pay for the school construction projects. I'm not paying anymore. "
Truth wrote on Jan 30, 2008 9:54 AM:
" Teachers are NOT overpaid. They are very well paid when compared to private sector jobs. They have rode the 'underpaid' slogan without being challenged long enough!! They receive stipends on a regular basis for any extra curricular duties even if it goes towards their ongoing training. As for their lesson plans, they recycle these as once they have one, they will reuse it and only make slight changes as their material becomes outdated. If you doubt it, then get a job in a school district or volunteer your time as you will be AMAZED as to what goes on and how their time is spent! "
Try Going to a School Board Meeting wrote on Jan 30, 2008 9:52 AM:
" This goes for EVERYBODY complaining on this site; When was the last time YOU went to a School Board Meeting and asked to see their budget or DIRECTLY observe how your school district operates? Or better yet, contacted your legislator concerning their lack of progress in passing a CDB? That is one of their duties as elected officials......it's their job. Let's focus on the real issue of why the STATE collects our taxes, bails out a Chicago Transit system, and then plays their BS games when it comes to funding schools.
If more people took an interest in the school districts and their needs, and voiced their opinions to the "law makers" then this "proposed" sales tax would not even be necessary.
"
hmmmm wrote on Jan 30, 2008 9:15 AM:
" If this tax passes, then I believe we should reduce the number of state representatives since we WON'T need them anymore! God helps those who help themselves is what my Mom always used to tell me. I live in Marion, have a senior and a 7th grader. I know that none of my kids will see the inside of a new school, which is why I'll vote NO. Call me selfish, but this really is a STATE issue and not a local taxpayer issue. I know that we won't get rid of any state representatives and the cronyism will continue. I'm sick to death of living from paycheck to paycheck and just getting by. We the taxpayers put ourselves on a budget and live within it! (well most of us do that....) Why do we keep electing officials that can't balance a state checkbook??? This state needs to get serious, pay its bills, and then fund the projects it needs to fund. They need to put aside frivilous spending like wildflowers along interstates (yes, there is a budget for this) and fund school projects! I just want to hit our "leaders" when they tell you that the wildflowers come out of a different budget. BS!!! A budget is a budget. Wherever you allocate money is where you spend it. I compare interstate wildflowers to weekly dinners at Applebees! We can't afford them, so we DON'T EAT OUT!! We can't continually be asked to give just a little more. You say one cent on the dollar isn't much.....well if statistics are true, it IS much since it's anticipated to raise millions of dollars! Sorry, I'm still voting NO even though I know it affects my kids directly. "
Mojo wrote on Jan 30, 2008 8:53 AM:
" I will proudly vote YES for the children of So Il. Lets take care of our own. My kids are grown, this area was good for them, I want to pay for the next generation. I thank God I can. Do the right thing! "
Get Real wrote on Jan 30, 2008 7:24 AM:
" I can't believe that someone would actually suggest that the schools fire the counselors, psychologist, aids and other non-essential employees. Get real! These positions are the most needed, and most under appreciated positions in the school system. If anything the schools need more of these employees. However this sales tax can't address this issue because the money can only be used for school construction not salaries. "
No Trust wrote on Jan 29, 2008 11:03 PM:
" I don't trust anything that the county board is behind. Gentry and Barnett have made a mess of this county along with Cundiff. Gentry and Barnett put this thing on the ballot. Vote NO on Tuesday against this tax and vote NO against Bob Barnett! The state has plenty of money and we'll NEVER get any of it if we give in and place another tax on ourselves. "
LOL wrote on Jan 29, 2008 10:15 PM:
" I laugh at all the teachers on here pretending to be concerned citizens who want the tax. You can almost see them salivating as they type. Want more money for your schools? Get rid of the assistant principals, psychologists, counselors, aides and all the other non-essential employees, and cut out sports as well. You'll have all the money you need. "
Mr O wrote on Jan 29, 2008 10:14 PM:
" VOTE NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I agree tht Carterville needs a new HS, but it is not up to Marion to pay for it.
This is the baby of one man, the Marion school Supt-he wants to build a new grade school for a shrinking community and bus students to it, replace a HS that really isn't that old.
Unfortunately if the school administrators told the SI that wolverines made good housepets the SI would print it as fact.
We in Williamson county are taxed enough and it's time for our government officials to spend our money wisely.
Besides, where is John Bradley? He was able to speak loudly against gambling, but can't fight as much for our kids? "
The latest wrote on Jan 29, 2008 8:02 PM:
" I received a letter via the U.S.Postal service today which contained a letter from Mark Collins. In it, he states all the bogus numbers that are being circulated and tells me how I should vote. I HIGHLY resent our tax dollars paying for this service as this is just ONE MORE EXAMPLE that these clowns don't have a clue and can't be held fiscally responsible! They have crossed a line that they are going to end up wishing they hadn't as it does appear that I'm going to have to make some trips to the school board meetings and see that things are changed! Can you believe it? They had the nerve to use OUR dollars to fund a request for MORE TAXES!! This pretty much lets you know all you need to know! "
Truth Is wrote on Jan 29, 2008 5:41 PM:
" We don't want to pay for services so we claim school districts have plenty and waste what they have or have crooked supts. who steal our money. Truth is they are the most regulated bunch around. They must be audited by the state each year as well as an independent auditor. Two audits per year keep everyone honest. Plus the law requires them to open their books to anyone who wants to look at them.
They do not get $5,000 per child from the state. They are guaranteed that, if the state keeps its promise, after we pay our real estate taxes the total from the 2 sources will be $5,000.
Sure, 2 teachers cost $100K. What about cooks, custodians, bus drivers, buses, maintenance, heat, electricity, water, sewer,textbooks, furniture, etc.
This year the state cut $1.3 million from Williamson county schools for spec. ed. and has told them they will not receive the last 2 state aid payments. After they get that big increase promised in the new state budget, the net loss from last year will be about $1.6 million. "
Herrinite wrote on Jan 29, 2008 3:48 PM:
" Marion and Herrin both got a tax increase with Home Rule and Mayor Ritter said then there would not be increases in property tax if he won Home Rule. My property tax went up 60% last year and is under appeal. What happened to the money from Home Rule and the property taxes we now pay for schools? If we pay local tax to build new schools it just lets Springfield off the hook. The Mayors should go to Springfield and campaign for the necessary funds. Maybe get some of the money from Blow Hards travel money. "
Tried... wrote on Jan 29, 2008 3:33 PM:
" I've tried and tried to contact the District Office and, evidently, the superintendent is just too busy working in the classrooms with the teachers as he simply is not there when I call nor has he returned a call of mine as of yet. Plese, do tell....what is your secret to getting his attention? I'm just guessing...but you are probably blond, five foot two, big blue eyes....if so, DON'T EVEN BOTHER POSTING A REPLY as we already know he responds to that type already!! "
Concerned, again wrote on Jan 29, 2008 11:49 AM:
" Once again, I say since the State has paid for school projects in many other locations , mostly to our north, hold their feet to the fire before giving up and raising local taxes (once we do that the State will be off the hook forever). A couple of other points. Don't forget that the TIF's that have re-directed huge amounts of tax revenue to private companies in the development of so-called "blighted" real estate. TIF's continue to proliferate at great cost to our tax revenue. There are benefits to TIF's too, of course. Lastly, regarding those who comment here that our real estate taxes will go down simply because the superintendents will feel obligated to reduce them, you're dreaming if you think that's going to happen. Governmental budgets quickly expand to utilize growth in tax revenue. In DuQuoin, for example, the city eliminated its real estate tax. Nearly immediately the school board increased its tax levy to use up the saving taxpayers would have realized. Most taxpayers didn't notice because the total tax bill stayed the same but the school district got a small windfall. "
Grateful Parent who's voting "YES"! wrote on Jan 29, 2008 11:42 AM:
" As a parent of two children educated in Williamson County, I am grateful to all the dedicated and talented teachers in their schools. The teacher's workday doesn't end with the ringing of the dismissal bell. They spend hours on their own time planning lessons and grading papers. I know that they spend a great deal of their own money on extras for their students and classrooms. Personally, I do not think they are paid nearly enough. This tax referendum specifically targets school construction. Anyone that has personally toured the substandard facilities is well aware that the only smart and viable option is to VOTE YES! Springfield will never fairly treat Southern Illinois. I've written letters, I've signed petitions, I've made the phone calls to our legislatures. The cries of the people of Southern Illinois fall on deaf ears in Springfield. VOTE YES! "
Wrong Time wrote on Jan 29, 2008 10:35 AM:
" The economy is in the tank, unemployment is up, the price of oil (and everything else) is up, inflation is up, taxes are too high as it is, and our superintendents have the nerve to ask for more of our money. What a joke. "
re:if you vote no wrote on Jan 29, 2008 10:28 AM:
" Could you use some biblical refrences to back up your banishment to hell for those who are going to vote no, please? This is a little scary. Thanks.
I thought the bible said "do not judge lest ye be judged." "
Comment wrote on Jan 29, 2008 10:24 AM:
" Please vote no!!!Look at your property tax bill!! We are already paying way to much for schools. The majority of the money raised from this tax will go to the towns of Carterville and Marion to pay for their new schools. As for Marion, has anyone seen Marion high school's new athletic complex? Complete with new tennis courts? Don't be fooled with the argument that "this is for our children". Don't let Springfield off the hook. They have our money we pay in taxes to pay for the improvements needed. Voter No! "
To much already wrote on Jan 29, 2008 9:37 AM:
" My son is out of school now, but he always had something to bring home to raise money for school. I sent it back with a note saying, "that's what we pay taxes for." Herrin said taxes wouldn't go up when they built the new grade school but guess what, they did! With the unemployment rate the way it is now because of 2 factories closing in this county in the same yr., elect. rates going up and the price of gas, how do they think we could afford it. There aren't many jobs here and if this did create new (since you almost have to go out of the county now), how long would they last?Not something you could retire from or even be there more than a year or 2. Then what? Back to the unemp. office and that's if you even get a job out of it. This seems to be the answer to everything, raising taxes. Lets do what needs to be done and hold our great elected officials to doing what they should, STOP PORKBARRELL SPENDING IN THIS STATE! Illinois, can't afford to leave and can't afford to stay. Don't ya love it. "
Carterville native wrote on Jan 29, 2008 9:34 AM:
" I can see reasons to vote for and against this tax. Anything that takes power and influence away from
