Community Organizer wrote on Sep 16, 2008 12:43 PM:
" NO BS: Right now we are in a "political economy". It is made worse by the changes in the regulations and laws made under William Jefferson Clinton in concert with Alan Greenspan and Robert Rubin along with Franklin Raines, Jamie Gorlich, Barney frank, Chris Dodd, Chuck Schumer, et al. As soon as the Noverember elections "the sun will rise" and the "political" economy will be gone and we will be back to business as usual and the media will not be publishing negative stores every 4 seconds. Keep the faith this is the media's way of making the "economy the issue stupid". "
Community Organizer wrote on Sep 16, 2008 12:40 PM:
" Alan Greenspan, Bill Clinton and Robert Rubin made the moves that caused Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to fail. Source: Robert Reich. "
Community Organizer wrote on Sep 16, 2008 12:32 PM:
" Yes, Bill Clinton changed the rules of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and put his henchmen in charge. Jamie Gorlick (took out over $26,000,000) and Franklin Raines (he took out more than $52,000,000 and now is Obama's financial expert). Regulators tried over and over to reign in this ENRON like raping of the taxpayer but Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Chuck Schumer, et al in the democrat party blocked any changes to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac that would have prevented or reduced the impact we now see. So, Obama was one of the leading beneficiaries of the taxpayer dollars. wonder what Franklin Raines has planned for us now that Obama has selected him as one of his chief financial advisors? "
No BS wrote on Sep 15, 2008 6:02 PM:
" Ladies and gentlemen,
The economy is in recession, and financial markets just collapsed. Our savings are being wiped out, and each of us got to pay back about $30,000 in national debt plus interest to a private bank with a misleading name "Federal Reserve". I'm sure owners of Federal Reserve will make a killing.
How to get the nation out of this mess?
Obama will try to repeat FDR approach - massive government intervention, new programs a'la Work Projects Administration etc. This really did not work, and only after FDR got us into the WW II the economy finally got going.
McCain knows that big projects don't work, so he will go straight to the second phase of FDR approach - new massive war, with unavoidable draft and sacrifices by all od us little people - and this may get the economy going again.
So that's your choice come November 4.
Rest is just fluff and distraction. "
Community Organizer wrote on Sep 15, 2008 5:41 PM:
" DONE! "
Community Organizer wrote on Sep 15, 2008 5:40 PM:
" ok, ok...you got me...but when he does not renew the Bush tax cuts everyone earning over $30,000 will get a significant tax cut. Obama made the pig comment not at McCain but at Sarah! Sorry, but you are so wrong. "
1st Amendment wrote on Sep 15, 2008 8:47 AM:
" communist organizer- AHHhhhh, but you see, you do lie, in fact you just lied again. You are a hypocrit, and frankly, you have no real core values, unless you count lying to win at all costs. FACTCHECK.or g proves that you're not being truthful. Obama's plan would only tax people's profit on home sales where the profit is over 500k. In other words if they buy a house for $100k then sell for 700k they are taxed on 100k, not 600k. A small minority will pay this.
As for the pig comment, the crowd responded because Obama was calling out McCain for his lies and deception. Unlike the repiglicans, democrats want to talk about the issues, you assume they thought he meant Sarah Palin, but that is how your repiglican brain works, don't project your dysfunction on others.
What is remarkable, is that even smear merchant Bill O'reilly says McCain is lying about the pig comment, and as i posted below, the king of lies and sleazy politics, Karl Rove said in CNN that McCain went too far. Now that is just sad, when the prince of lies himself says your being dishonest, well you got issues. Especially, since Rove knows that if obama gets elected there will be lots and lots of investigations. Bush might pardon him from criminal penalties but he will be liable for civil suit. "
Community Organizer wrote on Sep 15, 2008 7:45 AM:
" 1. Barach knew exactly what he was doing when he made the pig comment. His crowd went wild knowing he was slamming Palin and they agreed with it. Saying it was not so I just being self deceived.
2. A reason(s) not to vote for Obama: He said he would put a 28% tax on the "profit" that anyone that sold their home made. That is not good news for people hoping to retire and use the money from the increased value of their homes. Also, Obama plans to reinstate the immoral dealth taxes on farms and small business owners. He will also not renew the bush tax cuts that will increase taxes on EVERYONE MAKING $30,000 or more. That is a whopping tax increase.
3. McCain's commercials...they have been awsum. Finally, after decades of playing nice with the other side we have hard hitting to the point commercials. they are not lies and Kare Rove had an opinion on only ONE of them. Besides how can a karl Rove HATER use him to make a point. What a hipocrit.
4. I don't lie. I don't want to win at all costs. I am not a democrat. "
1st Amendment wrote on Sep 15, 2008 6:41 AM:
" Proof that McCain has joined the ranks of the lying liars, and has abandoned his morals to run a sleazy campaign of lies....from CNN today-
"Former Bush adviser Karl Rove said Sunday that Sen. John McCain had gone "one step too far" in some of his recent ads attacking Sen. Barack Obama.
Rove has leveled similar criticism against Obama.
"McCain has gone in some of his ads -- similarly gone one step too far," he told Fox News, "and sort of attributing to Obama things that are, you know, beyond the '100 percent truth' test."
nuff said, vote Obama, the real maverick "
1st Amendment wrote on Sep 15, 2008 6:31 AM:
" jeff s- i never said you were a radical right wing, i said your comment suggested you held dems in low esteem. That one comment is all i had to go on, and if you read it, i don't think i was being unfair. i am ambivalent if obama were to do such a thing. i vote primarily based on issues, the country really doesn't need 8 more years of bush-enomics.
please don't try and characterize what i said as uppity. most of the right wingers who post on here are like many americans....they don't their behind from first base when it comes to the "why" they hold certain beliefs. they don't know history, or economics , they vote on feelings and what spinned out garbage they get from the corporate media. "
jeff s wrote on Sep 14, 2008 9:41 PM:
" 1st
Just curious, are you going to still support Ombama when he decides to drop Joe as his running mate and pick up the BIG DOG Hillary? Sounds like that is what he and Joe are trying to work out. Joe is saying she is more qualified to be vice than him. Hoever, I will laugh when she turns him down. You have called me a radical right wing, thats not true. I would have voted for Clinton ian a split second, as I did for Bill both elections. I even voted for Gore when he ran, the only reason he lost is he did not pick the right running mate. It should have been Bill as his vice. The Clintons do not want Obama to win, that way it clears the way for Hillary in 2012. And of course you can pick this apart with all of your education and facts as this is just my opinion. "
1st Amendment wrote on Sep 14, 2008 9:12 PM:
" just wondering- I have no ill feelings towards you, but I suggest you read a variety of sites to get opinions from both sides. "Crooks and liars," "media matters," and "buzzflash" on the left, Drudge report, politco, and maybe newsmax on the right. You'll find truth on both sides. I urge you to take a long hard look at the lies coming out of the McCain campaign, ie the pig with lipstick as an example,...anyone who saw that video on youtube knows that Obama did not call anyone a pig, but you get folks like communist organizer who foresake their "morals" and "values" to lie, and lie, and lie, and win at all costs. Don't say the Obama campaign does it too, because there has been nothing along the lines of what the "maverick" has done. "
1st Amendment wrote on Sep 14, 2008 9:07 PM:
" communist organizer- You sound like the pride of the repiglican party "
Just Wondering wrote on Sep 14, 2008 6:15 PM:
" 1st - No BS'es original post begins with comments that are nothing more than his opinion....which is obviously an unfavorable one of Sarah Palin. It would stand to reason therefore that anything she said would be found lacking in his eyes and in addition, tempt him to take things out of context and reduce her to nothing but a war monger. I think that's unfair and I just don't share his low opinion of her.
Years ago, I voted pretty much straight republican and then grew up and realized that both parties had something to offer. Personally, I haven't voted for a republican since Ronald Reagan. This year, I am leaning toward McCain for the simple fact that he has proven his willingness to listen to (and work with) the dems on issues if he feels it will benefit the country as a whole.....regardless of what his peers think. I can identify with that spirit.
I watched Roland Martin's show on CNN last night. He had a guest on who has just written a book about how our citizens vote. According to this guy (can't remember his name), the majority of our population does not fully understand the issues and therefore vote with their hearts.
I wish I understood the issues better but as I have said time after time on these forums, it's difficult to find truly objective people. They are either democrat or republican and refuse to budge. Neither side will behave like reasonable, rational adults. It's nothing but hateful bickering and name-calling. I just get tired of it. "
Community Organizer wrote on Sep 14, 2008 10:24 AM:
" I like it when you call me Communist Organizer....that reminds me of the wonderful days in chigago when my communist mentors were drilling into me with their anti-America opinions, etc. Those were the good old days when we could twist arms and put the fear in people when ACORN knocked on the door. Yes, those were the good old communist training days in Chicago. Thanks for bringing them to mind. Gotta go...I'm talking today to a group and I want to sound Presidential by calling a woman a pig and talking about lipstick. Oh, gotta go...just heard the door bell ring...yep, it's another bag of money left on my front porch. Gosh, don't you just love these fund raisers. Michelle, hon, looks like you can make another trip to the Gold Coast tomorrow to shop. "
1st Amendment wrote on Sep 14, 2008 7:35 AM:
" just wondering- "No BS," unlike the vast majority of right wingers in here, backed his/her statement up with sources. So before you join the delusional "communist organizer" in fairy land (where apparently Jimmy Carter hs a government in Iran), see "no BS"'s sources and explain what, if anything, is not correct. When people come on here like "communist organizer" and say something is true without any basis in fact, no sourcess to back them up, etc, it makes them look silly. "
Just Wondering wrote on Sep 13, 2008 10:27 PM:
" To No BS - I have to agree with CO's assessment on your screen name in regards to your summary of the Palin interview. I fear you've fallen into the trap of hating one party so much that you're unable to even listen to what the other side is saying.
dgmlpn2, I too think snopes and smoking gun are excellent sources. They are objective and informative. "
No BS wrote on Sep 13, 2008 7:55 PM:
" To CO:
McCain: "Bomb Iran"
google to see it
(SI does not allow to put links here)
Palin on attacking Russia:
When asked if Georgia joined NATO, whether the United States should go to war if the country was again invaded by Russia, Palin responded: "Perhaps so."
go to abc news i search for Palin and Russia "
Community Organizer wrote on Sep 13, 2008 6:38 PM:
" NoBS: actually didn't you mean to say...a LoadofBS...When did McCain or Palin say McCain planned to attack Russia? Lie! When did he say he would attack Iran? Lie! (We probably should but wont' as we hope the people there will overthrow Jimmah Carter's government in Iran.) History: Empires fall when their men become appeasers. "
1st Amendment wrote on Sep 13, 2008 12:31 PM:
" dgmlpn2- I agree that it is good that the name calling has stopped and I have decided not to use the term "repiglicans" unless someone lies about the pig lipstick issue. ;) "
dgmlpn2 wrote on Sep 13, 2008 11:43 AM:
" I agree and disagree with a lot of the posts on here. I am happy however that the name calling has died down. If people want facts and not specalation they should go to snopes or thesmokinggun...both of these sites are very informative as the lies and alibies of BOTH candidates. Furthermore, I feel they what we will be voting on come Nov. will be something on a lesser of two evils. "
jeff s wrote on Sep 13, 2008 2:45 AM:
" 1st amend
Maybe your right, know I take that back, you are right! I should not talk about someones personal life in a public forum. However, we are talking about the same person. I am not worried about being sued, as for what I say is true and accurate. There are even two shows he was on. But I will not say anything else. Just wanted to let you know that I made a mistake but I do know what I am talking about. "
No BS wrote on Sep 12, 2008 8:50 PM:
" Sarah Palin apparently memorized some of McCain's talking points and was allowed to talk to Charlie Gibson.
Mistake.
She came across as a scholgirl, who was trying to remember what was it that he studied a night before. And then blurted some very revealing answers, indicating what was she fed by McCains campaign.
Here it is what her (meaning - McCain's) position seems to be:
- Continue the war in Iraq.
- Expand the war in Afghanistan.
- Attack Russia (he must be nuts).
- Attack Iran.
- Invite Ukraine to NATO. This will cause a civil war there and a split of Ukraine into eastern, oil rich Russian-controlled part with Crimea and Sevastopol, and western, poor part that might join NATO if it survives a civil war at all.
- Send US troops to Georgia.
- Spread "freedom" invading any country that McCain thinks is worth invading.
- In other words - get ready for a series of new wars designed to prop the falling empire.
- Apparantly, McCain did not learn the lesson form history. Empires fall when they overextend themselves militarily. That's a fate awaiting us if he gets elected.
Given all that I'd rather take my chance on Obama. "
st Amendment wrote on Sep 12, 2008 3:48 PM:
" jeff s- 1. i'm not sure what your comment means by "the democrat" is coming out in me. My brother is a moderate republican, but we're real close. As a democrat, I don't think republicans are evil, per se. Many moderate republicans are rational, intelligent people. Extremism on either side of the spectrum should be avoided.
2. Another part of it is difference in background. I have extensive policy education in both political science and economics, and have studied several such areas since I was a sophmore in high school (i'm in my 30s now). A thoughtful argument for conservative philosophy can be made, but few people can pull it off. On this site I've seen Grayson Gile, madblogger, and a few others do it. I have no problem with those folks, and they are on the "right," but they are not unthinking automotons, they are objective. When I'm talking to someone on the left or the right that lacks that experience, I ease up if they are either a friend, or make their argument in good faith, ie, they don't knowingly lie.
3. I didn't give up anyone's ID, I asked a question. I don't know anything about your accusation, but I don't think we're talking about the same guy. I won't go into specifics, but it wouldn't add up.
A couple of things bother me about your post: 1. your tone implies you hold democrats in low esteem, if you're conservative it seems unlikely that you would try and "out" personal things about someone who shares your views, 2. if you genuinely believe what you said then you are either: a. irresponsible for discussing someone's personal issues in a public forum, or b. have an axe to grind with whoever you think this person is. I would be careful if I were you about leveling accusations in a public forum, as you can be sued for: a. libel, b. intentional infliction of emotional distress, and probably a few other things if what you said is not an accurate representation of the facts. "
matt s wrote on Sep 12, 2008 3:27 PM:
" jeff
why don't you mind your own business? "
jeff s wrote on Sep 12, 2008 2:43 PM:
" 1st amend
Watch it, soundl like the Democrat is coming out in you. "It's Different"
Since you know matt you are going to take it easy on him and he is different although he is a die-hard Rep. I know who he is now that you gave up his id.
He si the one who was working his own business for months and on comp at the same time. There is video of that, him bending down picking up fish when he had a hurt back. I don't think I would want that as a character witness! "
vha15 wrote on Sep 12, 2008 1:41 PM:
" when you vote,on the write in ,write in none of the above. if the majority choose that,
then that is what's done!gotta start it
someware to catch on.maybe if they get
treated like us common folks,they would
care about something besides self! "
1st Amendment wrote on Sep 12, 2008 9:40 AM:
" Matt s- First let me say, if i had known who you were before, I would not have ripped your arguments up so badly.
Second, I have republican friends and libertarian friends and i always moderate by rhetoric when talking with them because, hey, we're all americans. Third, my post below, 6 down, answers this point, I can make the same arguments about Palin and McCain Re: the Alaskan independence party, old S&L buddies, and Pastor Hagee. My veiw is that its silly for us to judge people because someone they know or are friendly with says something crazy. Obama's got conservative friends that take controversial positions, but we don't also try and say that he has those opinions. Also, keep in mind the Rev Wright is old enough that he has endured a lot of racism in his life, despite fighting for America in Vietnam, so he has a different veiw about things then you and i do, ie, we've never been pulled over for driving while black.
Anyway, I hope you're well. We used to work together with kori. Its funny, because I was actually thinking the other day about calling you because I'm going to need somne character references in a few months. I'm assuming i can go through your site? "
matt s wrote on Sep 12, 2008 8:46 AM:
" Am I going to get a Free plug for advertisement!
1st I would like you to answer me this, Ayers, Pastor Wright; Mindy down below says it has no issue that Nobama has ties with these two. I know you are going to say oh the pastor quit and he is not friends with Ayers. However, you know that is a LIE.
If that is not an issue, what if a white male/female was running and there friends with a person who was big in the KKK and that same person held fund raisers for them. Would that be an issue.
Also would it be fair to call Nobama the first black president if he wins? His mom is white, would that not be an insult to the true black population? If he wins and I was a young black person and won president 12 years from now would it not be fair for me to go down as the first black president. It should be if Nobama wins he would be the first bi-racial president!
I am not very expensive on the fishing trips, have some openings as we speak. I would probably give you a discount so we could talk more while catching some lunkers. You know how to get in touch. "
1st Amendment wrote on Sep 12, 2008 8:27 AM:
" Matt S- are you a fishing/hunting guide? "
1st Amendment wrote on Sep 12, 2008 8:26 AM:
" Communist organizer- Your telling me or anyone else that they live in their own separate reality is laughable, and frankly orwellian. 80% of the country thinks Bush has done a bad job running the country, McCain's position on the economy and many other issues, by his own account, mirrors that of Bush. Consequently, McCain's own campaign has said they don't want this campaign to be about the issues, yet you, communist organizer, say that Obama doesn't want to talk about the issues?????? Do you ever feel silly when you say some of these things, i mean from reading your last post it is clear that you feel no guilt whatsoever about making things up. Frankly, that is disturbing, because it detracts from your self expressed image as someone who "has core moral values"....yeah?? what are they, lying? "
Wilson08 wrote on Sep 12, 2008 8:06 AM:
" I got this email the other day and it just really seems appropriate in this election.
"Years ago, there was a sea story in the Marine Corps about a lieutenant who inspected his Marines and told the 'Gunny' that they smelled bad. The lieutenant suggested that they change their underwear.
The Gunny responded, 'Aye, aye, sir, I'll see to it immediately'.
He went into the tent and said, 'The lieutenant thinks you guys smell bad, and wants you to change your underwear. Smith, you change with Jones, McCarthy, you change with Witkowskie, Brown, you change with Schultz. Get to it'.
The moral: A candidate may promise change in Washington, but don't count on things smelling any better." "
Community Organizer wrote on Sep 12, 2008 7:58 AM:
" 1st ..you live in your own alternative reality. It is Barach Hussien Obama that has never talked about the issues. If he was to sit down and tell everyone what he planned to do if elected he knows that he would not stand a chance. Here is the shorthand for Obama's programs: he is a TAX AND SPEND LIBERAL. He will pay reparations to all people of color because someone in the very distant past owned slaves. He, like all liberals, hates the military and the use of force to keep and maintain our freedom and liberty. He is simply out of the same pattern we have seen in the past 3-4 democrat presidential elections. This is the modern democrat party. It regards all money earned by any individual as it's own to be doled out to selected classes of victims. It does not recognize and celebrate individual success but punishes it with taxes. It demonizes it's enemies. It demonizes the America business that create jobs and tries to compete in a global economy. It locksteps to demands by the NEA. It regards the taking of innocent life as the key litmus test to be a member of the party. Nearly 40,000,000 innocents blood is on its hands and that seems not enough. It seeks to silence any opposition by any means. It's candidates never are honest about their programs because they know Americans if they have the plan for them won't vote for it. This is not the party of our fathers or grandfathers...it has moved to the radical far left. "
1st Amendment wrote on Sep 12, 2008 7:11 AM:
" Matt S- nearly every criticism you can level at the democratic ticket can also be done McCain/Palin. I've heard the audio of Palin's video welcoming message to the alaskan Independance party where she kisses up to them, after which they start hating on America, oddly that doesn't bother you. So why is it that 3 days ago McCain's campaign manager (one of the biggesst lobbyists in DC-maverick????) announced they were not going to talk about issues but they would try to make the election about personality? answer- your party cannot win on the issues and they know it. why can't your party win on the issues? Answer- because you're philospohy is unsound and has got us in the econimic predicament we're in today. "
matt s wrote on Sep 11, 2008 11:26 PM:
" Mindy, one more thing. If a man or woman that was tied to the KKK do you think that would matter or be a factor? "
matt s wrote on Sep 11, 2008 11:25 PM:
" Mindy, Here is your quote! Wow, and you have enough nerve to tell me that I make no sense. For the record, it is who Obama is tied to that bothers me. You tell me that I am prejudice, lets look at his pastor. Remember, Obama says this guy is like an uncle to him and he will continue to be his friend as well as the fundrasing anti-american friend he has.
"Let's not get into who Obama had been tied in with. As it is not even an issue." "
xxx wrote on Sep 11, 2008 10:39 PM:
" One of my friends and i were talking today about the up coming election. We are bareley old enought to remember president Eisenhower. And every president election we can remember CHANGE was the key word. Change has been around a long time. The only change that i see is greed and jealousies. "
notagain wrote on Sep 11, 2008 7:47 PM:
" Hey...where canI get a good cheeseburger???? "
Community Organizer wrote on Sep 11, 2008 7:11 PM:
" Mindy, please list what you consider "new and fresher ideas". What are they? Don't list new spending programs. We have all we need. What does "change" mean to you? What does "change" mean by itself? For many of us that know that Obama is the most liberal voter in the Senate we know that "change" means that is all we are going to have in our pockets to take care of our families. Most of us want to know more about Obama..right now we are told we can only look in two books about him. He will not let anyone see anything about his days at Harvard. Why? Do you want to know? Do you want to know more about his education from age 10 on? Do you want to know more about the people that he has chosen in life to MENTOR him and to HELP HIM SHAPE HIS WORLD VIEW????? Or, do you just want to HOPE for the best? That is not a very "informed" choice! "
Mindy wrote on Sep 11, 2008 5:06 PM:
" matt s: My lovely heart is not broken. Let's not get into who Obama had been tied in with. As it is not even an issue.I have read several of your comments on this post and I must say,I am not impressed.You seem to be a little on the prejudice side when it comes to Obama. You trash him like the McCain/Palin campaign does. Which is one of the reasons why I am not impressed with McCain & Palin.I do not see McCain & Palin talking change, how could I when he(McCain) has voted 90% of the time with Bush, I see no change there.As for Palin,All I know of her is that she is a pit bull lipstick hockey Mom and is being investigated big time. I cannot wait for the outcome,as her credibility is indeed at stake. I will watch her tonight talking with Charlie Gibson, you should watch too! I wonder if you are even following along? Have you watched the conventions or seen any interviews? Or do you just like coming into to this post to trash Obama? We need sombody with newer & fresher ideas and I feel that McCain & Palin do not have such ideas, actually I have not heard of any ideas as they are not staying with the issues now are they?
I cannot believe at this point that Americans think so little of our country that they would believe anything McCain & Palin are saying.I am speaking for myself here, and I am not trashing anyone who is for McCain/Palin I really am not, as we each have our own opinions, and freedom of speach is such a wonderful thing uh? "
Mel wrote on Sep 11, 2008 2:56 PM:
" vha15- Alrighty then???.... Whatever you say....We cannot get new candidates now can we? Follow along vha15. "
1st amendment wrote on Sep 11, 2008 2:25 PM:
" vha15- ungha bungha bungha yadda yadda me cave man, me no use good talk, me think you all crazy, me type on magic box make words go boom, "
vha15 wrote on Sep 11, 2008 2:05 PM:
" also to add, what has obama done
for illinois? nothing! that's why we lose jobs in IL & nobody calls the corruption! nope, not even obama! so
what makes you think he's not corrupt?
also he is raceist. have you ever heard
anyone talk about equal rights for vets
and be serious? nope! guess what! there are all nationality vets that get descriminated every day! but they want to stick to one race and be raceist.
they don't have a clue! it's the rich against the poor & some people are easilyfooled to believe other bogus answers! "
vha15 wrote on Sep 11, 2008 1:57 PM:
" say forget mccain/obama. get new
candidates! maybe after we go through
a few candidates maybe some one serious
about addressing the real issues instead of self ignorance!no circulation of money,it becomes useless
& another form of trade exists.remeber,
your only strong as your weakest link.
make your links weaker is not wise or smart! "
Mel wrote on Sep 11, 2008 1:37 PM:
" Flash to Community Organizer;
#1 Obama is neither arrogant nor stupid.
#2 I am indeed Independent, Although I am not closed minded.
#3 This is a serious election and the future of this country will be determined by the outcome.
#4 This is just my opinion: McCain/Palin- I do not think so!Do we really need another Commander in Chief abusing power in the White House like we have had the last 8 years? I think by voting in McCain that will be a given. "
1st Amendment wrote on Sep 11, 2008 1:14 PM:
" matt s- uhhhh yeahh, what Eisenhower warned us about has come to pass. We spend more then the rest of the world combined on our military. I think we should have a strong military, but we should not let corporations have so much political power. It isn't what the Founding Father's wanted. Also, it would help your credibility a great deal if you avoid making conclusionary statements without articulating the "why"....as in what has changed in the last 50 years that makes Eisenhower's prophetic warning less relevant. "
Just Wondering wrote on Sep 11, 2008 12:53 PM:
" I have to agree with xxx. The "people" are the ones caught in the middle of political power struggles. For either side to claim superiority in sticking to the issues in ANY campaign is, in my opinion, laughable. Seriously, how can anyone in good conscience defend the mean-spirited, childish tactics of either party?!!
We, as citizens, have the responsibility to sift thru the CRAP both sides dish out and decide who can best lead our country. I guess the independents will decide this one because the kool-aid drinkers on both sides are firmly committed to their perspective parties. I am making a concentrated effort to ignore the media games and try to figure out who will screw us up more - OBama or McCain. I just wish it was easier to find intelligent people who are politically objective and not blindly loyal to one party or the other. "
matt s wrote on Sep 11, 2008 12:28 PM:
" I like how you are using a quote to promote your ideas that is over 50-60 years old. Time has changed just a little! "
1st Amendment wrote on Sep 11, 2008 12:07 PM:
" Matt S- the point is whether a 47 year old man is a secret muslim, he's not, you know it, you can't prove he is and the facts say he isn't. Nuff said.
Enough said- Soldiers are given raises when they get promoted or get bumped for time in grade, period. You should read this quote from Eisnehower, a real republican, who didn't put party before country like Bush, "In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together." "
Community Organizer wrote on Sep 11, 2008 12:06 PM:
" Matt S. don't use facts or even Barry's own words to make arguments. you are speaking to people that have totally closed minds. They are probably independents or moderates or middle of the roaders that are just trying to weigh the facts (with closed minds) before they vote. by his own words he wa a muslim....is he still one? Or, is he a Christian again by his own words. Which is it Barry? "
Community Organizer wrote on Sep 11, 2008 12:03 PM:
" Flash to Mel: Get ahold of your manchild candidate and tell him that his foot needs to remain on the ground and not in his mouth. He is the one that made the pig and lipstick comment. By doing so he was either arrogant or stupid. He knew what he was doing. He needs to stick with the telprompter and not stray from using the words "hope" and "change" (whatever that means to the 300,000,000 Americans that hear it and have their own 300,000,000 opinion on what exactly it means. So much for a clear picture. "
matt s wrote on Sep 11, 2008 11:59 AM:
" Mindy, Hate to break your lovely heart. However, Obama practiced the Muslim religon for 7 years acorrding to him in his own statements. This is when he went back to Africa as a child. However, the Chirstian man you say he is still is very unclear. He has been tied to a very racist Pastor and church for 20 years and also is very close with a radical responsible for blowing up underground subways. He haid a major fundraiser at his home in the last couple of years. These are facts that I read in his "Fictional" Autobio where he admitts to tweaking the facts. Also , you may want to pick up a copy of Obama Nation when you are getting his autobio. It is amazing how everything is laid out with facts to show that Obama lied about numerous things in his life. "
Enough Said wrote on Sep 11, 2008 10:58 AM:
" 1st Amendment- I DO know from experience and you are way off. I underplayed the numbers for job losses. Chew on this- ww.bls.gov/opub/mlr/1993/04/art1full.pdf
The military is a huge economic source. "
Mindy wrote on Sep 11, 2008 10:15 AM:
" Matt s ; I cannot help but comment on youre posting dated Sept.10th. Barack Hussein Obama Jr.is his name and he is a Christian, not Muslim. Hussein is a family name inherited from a Kenyan father he barely knew,who was born a Muslim and died an Atheist. It gets old reading and hearing people pronouncing Obama's name like it some kind of cuss word. You say the facts show he is Muslin.Would you care to share where these facts can be found? I am not trying to be a smart a** here, But I feel if you are going to post comments at least get the facts straight before you write them for all to read.Because by not knowing the facts will make you look foolish. "
xxx wrote on Sep 11, 2008 9:02 AM:
" Mel, Both parties are just as guilty. Their are no innocent except the american people that are caught in the middle of the politicans power struggle. "
1st Amendment wrote on Sep 11, 2008 8:47 AM:
" Sky is falling- I can apply the same logic to when Carter started an intensive, comprehensive approach to promoting alternative energy, then as soon as Reagan came in he cut all the funding and started making it easier for GE and others to start outsourcing jobs. So who knows what kind of great shape we would be in now had we worked hard on developing and funding alternative energy R&D for the last 35 years. "
Mel wrote on Sep 11, 2008 8:34 AM:
" xxx; The Democrats will do anything to make the Republicans look bad? That is just too funny! The Republicans can't even stay on the issues at hand for bashing and crying about such stupid things as pigs and lipstick! Give me a break! The Democrats have much more class than the Republicans at this point.I was reading a letter that a friend of mine got in the mail from the McCain Leadership Committee last night and as I was reading it I had to laugh, It reads 'WE must make this champaign about issues" We must have the resources to fight back, that is why we have set a goal of raising $21.5 million in the next 15 days.We simply must have the assets to battle back.They wanted my friend who has always been of the Republican party to contribute up to $2,300.00 to help offset McCain's champaign for leagl & accounting costs incurred during this election. Needless to say my friend the Republican is not sending any money. For the first time since my friend has been old enough to vote is coming over to the Obama side, As an Independent voter myself, I was glad to see that there are some (what I call true blooded Republicans) saying no to the Republican party this election."Let's make this champaign about the issues" I for one am sick and tired of listening to them talk about everything but the issues! I do not want to hear about them (McCain & Palin) and how great they think they are. I want to hear what they plan on doing for the American people. The middle class for one as I have not heard one word stating what they( The Republicans) are going to do for us! "
The Sky Is Falling wrote on Sep 11, 2008 8:26 AM:
" Surplus? Balanced budget? Sorry, don't care what the numbers were social security wasn't(and still isn't) fixed. Without that there is no surplus or balance. Yes, we're spending a lot on a war many hate. But we're also spending a lot on social programs that aren't necessary. And we're spending a lot of pork projects that aren't needed but get people re-elected. This should be familiar to Illinois the same thing is happening at the state level. There is no balanced state budget if you're stealing form state workers retirement. We shouldn't be creating new social programs if we can't pay for the ones we already. I wish every time I saw something expensive, that I can't afford, but I really wanted, I could tap into someone else's checking account to pay for it. But, that's just me and I could be wrong. "
ED wrote on Sep 11, 2008 8:18 AM:
" 1st Amendment you said sources that will profit. I guess you ment big oil? And you sound like you are very good at research. I am no expert at research, but the research that i have done. Federal, state. and local goverment makes more money off per gallon of gas from taxes, than big oil makes profit per gallon. I guess 7 or 10 cents a gallon times the millions of gallons americans use a day sounds like huge prifits. while the goverment is getting about 45cents a gallon "
matt s wrote on Sep 11, 2008 8:05 AM:
" To all
How many times does one have to say this. I have been saying it for years and posted it numerous times.
It's just this simple:
When everyone votes this election, be sure to vote for the non-incumbetnt. This will send a message to DC.
Don't do your job you will be next in 2 years!
Stop being a party pupet, and as for the presdential, you should just flip a quater. "
The Sky Is Falling wrote on Sep 11, 2008 8:04 AM:
" Ten years away? So you're telling me that if we had started drilling right after GWB took office relief would just be a couple years away? Instead of ten. Or better yet if Clinton hadn't vetoed a bill in 1996 your saying we'd already be seeing relief?
Ten years sounds like a long time, and drilling in ANWAR isn't a magic bullet, but you have to start somewhere and this should already be underway. "
xxx wrote on Sep 11, 2008 7:37 AM:
" 1 st Amendment, I agree drilling is not the long term fix. Every body profits from any business or their would be no business. And if i'm hungry and all that is in my frig. is peanut butter and jelly that is what i will eat until i can buy something else. And the American people are hungry. "
xxx wrote on Sep 11, 2008 7:22 AM:
" The bottom line is our politicans care very little about us. All they care about is what party has the power. If the parties would start worring about the americas, the people would not be hurting right now. Most things are just common scents that they disagree on. "
1st Amendment wrote on Sep 11, 2008 7:21 AM:
" xxx- You're quoting sources, or getting your info from sources that will profit from drilling. The Department of Energy has already stated that if we start drilling there tomorrow it will be 10 years before there is any meaurable impact, and even then the oil reserves your talking about are not significat enough to make a long term fix. We need to spurr alternative renewables, unfortuneately the republicans have now blocked a vote on the bill that would increase R&D for alternatives. This, is not doing the people right. We can not drill our way out of this mess. "
ED wrote on Sep 11, 2008 6:49 AM:
" I believe after the election if Obama wins the first thing the Democrats will want to do is drill in Alaska. So they dan be the hero. Just like when Bill Clinton ran against George H Bush and Bush said we need nafta. And Clinton Said no nafta is bad. After winning the election Clinton said we need nafta. nafta is good. Clinton was right before he flip flop nafta is bad. "
xxx wrote on Sep 10, 2008 11:11 PM:
" I would say if their was a special election for the american people to vote on drilling in alaska or not. To drill would pass by 80% or more. "
xxx wrote on Sep 10, 2008 10:52 PM:
" I was just watching c-span and the republicans was almost begging the democrats to bring drilling in Alaska up for a vote. They said with a pipe line 73 miles away oil could be flowing in two or three years. And create 750 thousand jobs. With a Democrat controlled congress and a republican president on election year the dems. will do anything to make the Republicans. look bad. This is not doing the people right. The Dems. should play there games on their own time, and not at our expence. "
1st Amendment wrote on Sep 10, 2008 10:31 PM:
" Mel- keep up the good fight,
"Agreed"- 1. you know not of which you speak, "hundreds of thousands of jobs" is an overstatment-by far.....2.I believe in a strong military, but we spend more then the rest of the world combined, so calm down,.....3. Soldiers gets raises according to rank and time in grade, cuts in military budgets usually impact a specific weapons system or base, not the soldier's income, if you had been in the service you would know that....4. MOST SAD is the fact that you side with Communist Organizer but it was in fact bush and Rumsfeld who sent our boys into Iraq without the proper equipment and armor, so say your sorry right now or so help me....just kidding,...but seriously, stop being all fraunchy and tell me why McCain keeps voting against increasing health and education benefits for soldiers and veterans? "
enough said wrote on Sep 10, 2008 10:15 PM:
" Agreed- Community Organizer
Every time some says"reduce" the military or reduces military spending- it equals the loss of hundreds of thousands of jobs or poorer benefits/raises for the military folks. Its A JOB LOSS for more people than you can possibly imagine! Besides the fact it weakens national security. Troops are unprepared due to lack of training, gear and shear numbers. "
Mel wrote on Sep 10, 2008 8:52 PM:
" midle mane? Are'nt you just to funny. I made an error matt s; I meant for you to tell us his middle name. Who needs some hooked on phonics? And yes, I got it and not so amused. You did not answer the question as of what "W" has done with the deficit in the last 8 years? Do you even know what George's middle name is? Walker in case you did not know.I am guessing you had no clue.W just sounds cool to you uh? I will not waste my time on you as I must go get hooked on reading comments that make some sense.I do not know who you are 1st Amendment, but I can tell by reading your posts you do know what you are talking about and state facts.Thanks for making this post a little more enjoyable to read.
Obama/Biden 08' "
1st Amendment wrote on Sep 10, 2008 6:32 PM:
" community organizer/billofrights- First off, you may as well disregard what I wrote below because I didn't realize you were in fact "billofrights". (I had to re-register the "1st amendment handle also, so it wasn't just you) I came into this strand late and missed the part where you said that your handle had changed.
The reason that is important is because I know from experience that you absolutley refuse to find any common ground with me whatsoever, and lack objectivity in any real sense of the word. But you've worked hard in your life and I respect that, you're an American and your old and stubborn, heck, you remind me of my grandfather.
Had I known it was you billofrights, i wouldn't have been so stringent, or taken as much offense at your crazy talk. I know that you know that you're full of it on Obama, you may not want him to win, but you know that all this muslim talk is crazy. No hard feelings BillofRights, I look forward to discussing politics with you after Obama is elected. "
1st Amendment wrote on Sep 10, 2008 5:47 PM:
" community organizer- here's a great idea, instead of coming in here and spouting excrement, why don't you put your money where your mouth is, for example, instead of making the unfounded assertion that clinton's deficit reduction was "on the backs of people in the military" back it up with a source or 2......remember, like when i used source after source the other day to expose you as a liar and a deciever, remeber? When i sent you running home, crying to mamma. Just like i'm getting ready to do for Matt S. ;) "
1st Amendment wrote on Sep 10, 2008 5:42 PM:
" Matt S- You are sooo funny, i mean who could have thought!! You replace a letter in obama's name, then, wait for it.......presto chango, you're a comedian!
Tell you what big boy, when you say "Why can't anyone say his middle name or why can't people admitt he is muslim. The facts show it."....Why don't you amaze us all with your incredible knowledge and share your "facts." Since the "facts" show it you should have no problem producing it, right? where is it from the Washington Times? CNN? Fox? "
1st Amendment wrote on Sep 10, 2008 5:36 PM:
" community organizer- it is hilarious that on the one hand you talk about how each person needs to accept responsibility for themselves and control their own destiny, which by implication should it would be up to us in southern illinois to bring jobs in to our own region, but on the other hand you expect other districts to give us hand outs! Wow, tell you what community organizer, why don't you just go up to Blommington and ask them for a handout, or wait try Rockford, call them up and whine to them about how their Senator didn't do anything for poor widdle southern illinois, aahhhhhhh poor poor community organizer, is that what 32 years in business taught you? To lie, and move the goal posts?
Tell you what "community organize" explain to us all how obama called Palin a pig, because i've seen the whole video, and frankly, if someone saw that video, and then said that Obama called her a pig that person would be either: 1. breathtakingly stupid, or 2. so dishonest that they should be embarrased in the eyes of God. Did you see the video, or are you just parroting the drug-addled, draft-dodging, Rush Limbaugh? "
matt s wrote on Sep 10, 2008 5:35 PM:
" Mel
For the record duma**. I did not say spelling his midle mane wrong. Go back and look at how I spelled his first name. Nobama instead of Obama, get it. Or do you need some more hooked on phonics "
Community Organizer wrote on Sep 10, 2008 4:36 PM:
" Yes, do some homework about the reduced deficit that Slick Willie had...he did it on the backs of the men and women in the military. "
Community Organizer wrote on Sep 10, 2008 4:34 PM:
" Gee, fellows you got this guy right here in Illinois that wants your VOTE to be president. What did he do for you all here in Southern Illinois while he was in the Illinois House? Did he help get jobs for Southern Illinois? I'm sure that he knew that this area was in need of economic growth. Did he work in some bi-partisen way to get jobs down here? My point is, if he did nothing for the people in Southern Illinois while in the Illinois House (knowing he was going to see a national office or run for the Senate) then why do we expect that he will do something now? Just looking at his record. Not to worry thought if he keeps using the poor judgement that he did this week to call his opponents pigs and old fish we won't have to worry about him. He just is not displaying the temperment necessary to be Commander-in-Chief. Also, surely he is going to be the first President and/or Vice President that will not allow his middle name to be mentioned. Why is that? "
Mel wrote on Sep 10, 2008 4:00 PM:
" Yes, and what did "W" do? tell us what he did to the deficit matt s in the last 8 years when he had a good start to make it better? Oh, and please do let us all know what and how to spell Obama's middle name because we all care! W was easy for you uh? "
matt s wrote on Sep 10, 2008 3:51 PM:
" Dave C
Do some homework, since our deficit started many years ago, we have never come out of it. Now Clinton was the first president to reduce the deficit and he did so by a large amount. However, we still had a deficit when W took office. "
Mel wrote on Sep 10, 2008 3:50 PM:
" You're memory indeed serves you right Dave C.amazing how some people forget such issues and facts! "
matt s wrote on Sep 10, 2008 3:48 PM:
" Hey guys, I think you have been making a spelling mistake. I thought his name was NOBAMA HUSSEIN.
Which brings me to another 2 points. Why can't anyone say his middle name or why can't people admitt he is muslim. The facts show it.
The McCain signs should say, "Vote NO Bama HUSSEIN" and under that "Vote no Muslim "
Dave C wrote on Sep 10, 2008 3:38 PM:
" I don't have any facts and figures, but as my memory reveals not only have the Republicans run up the biggest deficit in history, they started with the biggest surplus in a long time left to them by Bill Clinton's administration. "